What can we hope for in 2006: the remaining 29 states voting in anti-gay ammendments. The republicans don't need the FMA at that point.
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Sooner or later the religious right is going to ask for something that they just can't get, then comes the meltdown.
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What can we hope for in 2006: the remaining 29 states voting in anti-gay ammendments. The republicans don't need the FMA at that point.
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I'm certainly glad I left Florida and moved to California.Quote:
For years now I have pushed for a class-action lawsuit against the federal government that demands tax-exempt status for gays and lesbians based on taxation without representation. We are discriminated against federally--Defense of Marriage Act, anyone?--and therefore should not have to support the government until it supports us.
But even that may not go far enough. No, given Louisiana’s recent bigoted vote to amend their state constitution to discriminate against same-sex couples, with 11 other states poised to do the same, it’s time to get a big gay caravan going.
Let’s take Louisiana, the sixth fattest state in the land, according to the CDC’s Obesity Trends report, and the 46th smartest, based on 21 factors, from Morgan Quitno’s annual reference book, Education State Rankings, 2004-2005 (with Mississippi, Arizona, Nevada, and New Mexico rounding out the dumbest of the dumb in America). These large, undereducated folks found a way to waddle to the polls right after being deluged by a hurricane to make sure them fags and dykes couldn’t get married.
This is the same state that derives millions of dollars in revenue from the debaucheries that are Mardi Gras, Southern Decadence, etc. It’s home to the Big Easy, a city of sin on a par with Babylon. This bastion of morality has decided that gays and lesbians shouldn’t get married. So, should we boycott Louisiana, following the lead of the Boycott for Equality?
Nope, we should leave.
Yup, it’s time to go. Any gay or lesbian living in any state that bans same-sex marriage or doesn’t offer domestic-partner benefits should be preparing to leave: Sell your homes, move your businesses, transfer your jobs. Get out and stop pouring your larger-than-average disposable incomes into that bigoted state.
Why?
Money. States spend millions trying to attract tourists and businesses. Many take out TV and print ads to lure people to their state to spend money and open factories and headquarters. Some cash-strapped state would certainly welcome the money we gays and lesbians have, and they would be willing to allow same-sex marriage in order to get it.
Let the South band together against gays and lesbians and nonmedieval values. We’ll take our money someplace progressive to buy homes, live our lives.
In fact, along those lines, maybe the Civil War wasn’t such a bad idea. Maybe the South just needs to go. Whether it’s the retirees in Florida costing us the election because they can’t figure out a butterfly ballot (with Mother Nature now intent on destroying every Bush precinct in Florida through her relentless series of hurricanes) or Louisiana’s population overwhelmingly voting for bigotry or the antigay laws and politicians of Mississippi, Georgia, Texas—let them all band together and start their own theocratic, backward, ignorant country.
The United States of Medieval. The Theocratic Union. Whatever.
But I grow weary of these fundamentalist Bible-thumping Neanderthals carrying elections, institutionalizing hatred and bigotry in the name of the Lord, and basically refusing to enter the 21st century. Let them bask in an era when barbers were doctors and the Inquisition sorted out the blessed from the doomed so that God wouldn’t have to bother. Let them claim ownership over religion and profess a theocratic view one step short of Jonestown.
But let them do it without our help.
What makes me even more weary are those gays and lesbians, or those nongays with a sense of civil rights and dignity, who choose to stay in these states and support their evil economies.
“Oh, but that’s giving up,” you say. “What’s next—concentration camps?”
No, of course not. But the only thing politicians care about is money. We’ve got plenty of it, as do those who support our causes. We spend it freely. Our houses are nicer, as are our cars and our clothes. We go to upscale restaurants, support the arts, and so much more. Take us out of Atlanta and South Beach and you’re left with a peach-tree-lined sauna and a barren sandbar. Take us out of New Orleans and you’ve got one dull town.
If we fled, states would respond. Economies of states that welcome gays and lesbians instead of discriminating against us would flourish. And the rest of the states would want a piece of the pie. Suddenly equality wouldn’t be so far-fetched when it came to basic decencies like marriage.
It would take time. And unity. But I don’t know how it hasn’t happened already. Why stay where you’re not wanted? Why fight so hard for so long for so little?
It’s time for a new tactic. How about emptying out those nice, newly gentrified neighborhoods, depriving these communities of our property taxes for schools that most of us will never utilize for our children? How about watching fine restaurants close because they can’t get good help, good management, good chefs, or a steady clientele since all the gays skipped town? How about leaving behind all those jobs and showing employers what running a business is like without our help? From administrative assistants to executives, from hairdressers to physicians—whatever the occupation, it’s time to hang our shingles in states that want us there.
The change will come slowly, but it will happen. Right now it would mean that we’d all have to move to Massachusetts. I’ve lived there--not bad. But in California, come January 2005, I’ll have domestic-partnership benefits that are equal to Vermont’s civil unions, and that’s acceptable for now. So, California and Vermont are fine. In fact, Washington and New Jersey are fine too, because at least they’re trying. The other 45? Iffy at best.
But why should you leave your home? Because your home state doesn’t want you, and it’s time to end the abusive, toxic relationship. Gays are the battered spouses of the states in which they live when that state refuses to recognize their right to love and marry whom they please and grant them equal benefits.
Money--not right or wrong, but money. Not moral or principle, money. Not the sanctity of marriage, money is what it’s all about. We’ve got a lot of it. Let’s start taking it to places that value our taxes and acknowledge us by endorsing our relationships.
Boycotting the economy for one day does nothing. Letting states know that we’re ready to take our money elsewhere will. Will there be states full of bigots and hatred, verboten to gays altogether? There already are; we’re just too stupid or in too much denial to admit it. We’re like Log Cabin Republicans, too dumb to know that the people we hang out with don’t want us around or care about our needs, even if they smile politely at us when they have to. We’re always knocking on the door saying, “You’d better pay attention to us or else!”--or else what? Republicans don’t care about gay Republicans, and states with antigay laws won’t care about their gay citizens unless they are forced to by the courts, or by budgets.
Stop attending events in states that don’t support equality. Forget Mardi Gras, forget Southern Decadence, forget this party or that in South Beach. Move those events, and the revenues they generate, to states that support equality. Make the South and other backward regions the culturally and financially bankrupt wastelands that they are. Take our culture, our art, our dedication as employees, our abilities to be good parents and family members, our disposable income, and our good taste--let’s take everything we can offer to where we’re wanted.
It’s time to get out of the courts and start using the power we really have: our purses. Decrease a state’s tax base, its revenue source, its liquid assets--especially in states that are already in financial tatters (with most states already facing huge deficits)--and the battle would suddenly become a lot more winnable.
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Sheridan: Your arguments have been dealt with by the anti-gay movement. The grounds for defining marriage may be religious but with the president pushing it as a cultural issue, 70% of people in the states that voted for amendments (and I suspect in the nation) support defining marriage religious or not. Second, the idea is not for courts to distinguish between 'marriage' and a simple civil contract but to ban the latter and only make the former legal. 'Marriage' can still be defined as only between a man and a women whether a minister or a Justice of the Peace presides. Third, the way to deal with such marriages/unions from other countries is the same way they are dealing with it from other states. Your marriage in Massachusetts is not legal anywhere else. Your civil union in Vermont or Hawaii is not legal in those states that passed laws against it. Your UK/Canada/wherever marriage/union will simply not be legal or recognized in the US. If you want to take it to court, the bushies are already plotting to change the senate rules to prevent fillibustering judicial appointments. The goal is to pack all the courts even those in "blue" states with 'non-activist' (read homophobic) judges that will make sure that challenges will not get a fair hearing. Want to appeal to the Supreme court? Good luck when Bush packs it with his homophobic appointees.Quote:
The only grounds for saying marriage should be between a man and a woman are based on religious grounds, kind of tricky to enshrine with that whole 'separation of church and state thing'. Second problem is how will the courts distinguish between 'marriage' and a simple civil contract, especially when so many weddings are thoroughly secular these days? Third hurdle if did get past would be how will they deal with countries where such marriages/unions are legal, including the UK in the near future?
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Not true, sam. Federal law (based on the U.S. Constitution) trumps the state laws (or constitutions). Couples have already legally gotten married in Massachusetts (and if NY accepts them, then de facto same-sex marriage will lawful there, too). Only a U.S. Constitutional amendment can stop challenges to the state laws (on behalf of the already married). Ergo: Stop the FMA . . . by any means necessary!
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(in the same way that New Yorkers w/ Florida second-homes were encouraged to vote in the Sunshine State. Didn't work this time, but the principal is a sound one). I put the same challenge to you, sam (or anyone who agrees w/ Karel): find a way to register to vote in a Red State! (relative's/friend's address?)
) outside the Detroit RC Cathedral (the Catholic Church spent something like a million dollars to pass Prop 2
), w/ Soulforce. The vigil drew 3 times as many as the organizer expected: I'm feeling less despairing, and more righteous rage
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Personally, I don't think the government should be involved in marriage in any way. I believe that marriage is between two people who love each other, who wish to make a commitment to stay together through good times and bad. I suppose that it can also be between those people and whatever god they choose to worship, but even then . . . wouldn't it be stupid for the government to tell couples which god can bless their marriage? And who cares what sex they are?
An interesting thing has happened since San Francisco started granting marriage licenses to same-sex couples: my marriage is just fine!
That's right. Even though there are thousands of gay and lesbian couples affirming their love for and commitment to each other, my marriage -- my affirmation of love and commitment to Anne -- isn't threatened at all. As a matter of fact, the only people who can really "threaten" my marriage are . . . well . . . the two of us.
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This is pretty stunning. The networks won't run an ad by the UCC which says "like Jesus -- the United Church of Christ seeks to welcome all people, regardless of ability, age, race, economic circumstance or sexual orientation."
And their justification?
"the Executive Branch has recently proposed a Constitutional Amendment to define marriage as a union between a man and a woman, this spot is unacceptable for broadcast on the [CBS and UPN] networks"
So, because Bush doesn't want federal or state recognition of marriage, a church can't even advertise that they welcome anyone in their doors?
This is so fucked up.
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"One voice is easily ignored or silenced, but when other people add their voices to yours, you become a chorus not easily ignored."--Wil "Just A Geek" Wheaton
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Gov. Jennifer Granholm will remove same-sex partner benefits from contracts negotiated with state workers, said an aide, citing a voter-approved amendment to the Michigan Constitution that bans gay marriage "and similar unions."
Michigan voters approved the amendment Nov. 2.
On Wednesday, Granholm aide David Fink said that negotiated contracts scheduled for adoption by the state Civil Service Commission on Dec. 15 will be stripped of the same-sex domestic partner benefits.
Fink, who holds the title of state employer, said the Granholm administration decided to eliminate the benefits because of the passage of Proposal 2, which defines marriage as the union of one man and one woman and bans same-sex marriage and "similar unions for any purpose."
"We're about following the law and honoring the intent of the voters," Fink told the Detroit Free Press.
He said the benefits could be restored before the contracts take effect on Oct. 1, 2005 if the courts have resolved the issue by then.
Republican legislators have been pressing the Democratic governor to strip the same-sex benefits from the contracts.
UAW lobbyist Alan Kilar said earlier this week that the union reached an agreement with the state in good faith and expected the state to stick with it.
"They agreed to this," Kilar said. "It's a contract and an agreement is an agreement."
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"One voice is easily ignored or silenced, but when other people add their voices to yours, you become a chorus not easily ignored."--Wil "Just A Geek" Wheaton
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Last week we let you know that a number of Republican Senators,
lead by Sen. Wayne Allard(R-CO) began their campaign to write
discrimination into the Constitution once again. Now, the
so-called Marriage Protection Amendment has 26 co-sponsors in
the Senate and there's word that the House of Representatives
will be pushing forward their version of the amendment soon.
With people who are advocating discrimination in charge of the
White House and both houses of Congress, our response against
this amendment must be persistent, powerful and unflinching.
Here's what you can do now:
1) Write your Senators today and urge them to oppose the newly
reintroduced Marriage Protection Amendment and ANY efforts to
put discrimination in our Constitution. Click here to send an
e-mail now: www.hrcactioncenter.org/c...832v57bmj8
2) Be pro-active! Write your Representative today. Although no
legislation has yet been introduced in the House of
Representatives, it is important to e-mail your Congressional
leaders and let them know that they must oppose ANY efforts to
put discrimination in our Constitution. Click here to send an
e-mail now: www.hrcactioncenter.org/c...832v57bmj8
3) Spread the word. Send this message to at least five friends
now -- especially in more conservative states where they need to
hear from fair-minded Americans the most. Click here:
www.hrcactioncenter.org/ct/Pd1Dyz41nmw8/
Thank you for taking action today. Your continued response
against this hurtful amendment is crucial. We're glad you are
with us every step of the way as we move toward equality for ALL
Americans.
Sincerely,
Seth Kilbourn
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Mayor hosting party on first anniversary of historic weddings
Ilene Lelchuk, Chronicle Staff Writer
Sunday, February 6, 2005
Even in Switzerland, San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom couldn't escape the accusation that he, more than any other U.S. politician, handed the Republicans a presidential victory last fall.
It was at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, and the mayor was invited to a panel on red states versus blue. And Newsom was defending himself, yet again.
Newsom's decision a year ago this Saturday to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples continues to color his political reputation, even abroad. It also still prompts debate about whether the backlash it engendered ultimately helps or hurts the cause of same-sex marriage. Yet the freshman mayor remains unapologetic and celebratory as the one-year wedding anniversary approaches for almost 4,000 couples.
"I will never regret it," Newsom said in a recent interview with The Chronicle.
Although same-sex marriage is an issue that some fellow Democrats wish would fade into the background, the mayor has invited every gay and lesbian couple married on Feb. 12 to a party at City Hall on Saturday. Newsom also has been asked to deliver a speech Tuesday on civil rights at the John F. JFK School of Government at Harvard University.
Newsom still invites the spotlight, even though the California Supreme Court halted the same-sex nuptials on March 11 and nullified them in August, saying the mayor lacked authority to defy state law that defines marriage as between a man and woman. In turn, the city has sued, challenging the constitutionality of the state ban on same-sex marriage.
Locally, it's no surprise that Newsom's politics remain a big hit in his super-liberal city with a large homosexual population. A recent poll of 500 San Francisco voters found that Newsom enjoys an 81 percent approval rating.
He also has strong support from the leadership of the California Democratic Party. State chairman Art Torres says the party is "100 percent behind him" and predicts he could win a statewide election someday.
But nationally, Newsom can't shake off last year's stinging criticism from party heavyweights Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California and Rep. Barney Frank of Massachusetts, who said the mayor hurt his career and his party. Headlines after President Bush won re-election suggested Newsom's bold move, which the president cited as a factor in his decision to support a federal constitutional ban, brought more conservative Bush supporters to the polls in other states.
"That wasn't a good week," Newsom said recently about getting the blame.
A year later, in a town as far away as Davos, he's still hearing about it. The European politicians and business leaders who attended the panel discussion two weeks ago weren't feeling friendly toward Bush, Newsom said. "They were looking for an explanation, an excuse, and I conveniently came up in that context a number of times."
Newsom told them why he thinks Bush really won that election: "The vast majority of pundits now acknowledge (same-sex marriage) wasn't the issue, but at the end of the day it was one issue and one issue only -- security."
Some postelection analysis backs that assertion.
"It's unfair to blame anyone in single-issue politics for losing an election," said Barbara O'Connor, professor of political communication at California State University Sacramento. "All of the polling data postelection showed that liberals turned out in huge numbers, and the youth turned out in huge numbers, and the Christian Coalition people turned out in bigger numbers. I don't believe (same-sex marriage) was their sole impetus for voting. It was one, but they would have turned out anyway."
That's not to say Newsom's actions had no national impact, according to political observers.
"He opened a political space where options like civil unions (which provide fewer rights than marriage) seem very mainstream and respectable," said Rich DeLeon, a San Francisco State University political science professor.
Bush has even said he would endorse civil unions for any state that wants them.
To hear Newsom tell it, he was warmly received at the Davos summit, despite pointed questions about Bush's victory.
"I didn't realize, and I say this hesitantly because I don't want to overstate it, what an impact San Francisco's decision to go forward with marriages last February had around the world -- from Israel to Cambodia," he said. "I was really humbled by how many people came up and said, 'Thank you.' "
Humbled?
"Who the heck does Gavin Newsom think he is?" asked Benjamin Lopez, legislative analyst and lobbyist for the Traditional Values Coalition. "I'm not so sure having the accolades of European leaders is something to brag about, when really the American people are at odds in respect to everything that Gavin Newsom stands for."
Do same-sex marriage opponents wish he'd just shut up? Surprisingly, no.
"The more Gavin Newsom talks about his fantasy of homosexual marriage licenses, the more he invigorates pro-family and conservative citizens and noncitizens," said Randy Thomasson, director of Campaign for California Families, one of the groups that sued to invalidate San Francisco's same-sex marriages.
Newsom has no plans to let up.
"The more I am able to talk about what we did, the more I think people truly understand why it happened," Newsom said.
Stuart Gaffney, 42, and partner John Lewis, 46, who were among the first 10 people married on Feb. 12, are glad Newsom is still speaking out and intend to celebrate with him Saturday at City Hall and later at a gala dinner hosted by Equality California.
The two are plaintiffs in a lawsuit by same-sex couples from San Francisco and Los Angeles who are challenging the state ban on their marriages.
"Taking a stand for equality is not something (Newsom) should apologize for," Gaffney said.
But political setbacks to gay rights across the nation in November have led to soul-searching among some advocacy groups, which are asking if they indeed were pushing for too much too soon.
As recently as Wednesday, the Kansas Legislature voted to place a proposed constitutional amendment prohibiting same-sex marriage and civil unions on the state ballot in April.
"I don't think we are going too fast too soon. But we do need to be smart and strategic about how we move forward, and that looks different in different states," said Seth Kilbourn, national field director for the Human Rights Campaign, the nation's leading gay rights organization.
Kilbourn said that means settling, for the time being, for civil unions rather than full marriage rights in certain resistant states where there are constitutional bans.
For Newsom and California, the battle sits in the hands of the courts and the Legislature.
Soon after last year's weddings, City Attorney Dennis Herrera filed the nation's first municipal lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of state laws that define marriage as between a man and woman.
The suit is being considered along with challenges by same-sex couples such as Gaffney and Lewis, as well as countersuits by the Proposition 22 Legal Defense and Education Fund and the Campaign for California Families.
The judge who will decide the constitutionality of California's ban on same-sex marriage, San Francisco Superior Court Judge Richard Kramer, is expected to rule by April.
Meanwhile, Democratic Assemblyman Mark Leno, a San Francisco politician who is gay, has introduced legislation to legalize same-sex marriage.
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One year later
To commemorate the first anniversary of the same-sex marriages performed at San Francisco City Hall, there will be panel discussions and documentaries from noon to 2 p.m. Saturday at the Main Library, Koret Auditorium, 100 Larkin St. Invited speakers include activist/author Betty Berzon, Kate Kendell of the National Center for Lesbian Rights, Assemblyman Mark Leno, Molly McKay of Equality California, and Sylvia Rhue of the Freedom to Marry Coalition.
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Same-sex marriage in the United States
-- Massachusetts became the first state, starting in May, to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.
-- For a period of time in early 2004, marriage licenses were issued to same-sex couples in San Francisco; Sandoval County, N.M.; and Multnomah County, Ore.
-- Forty-four states have passed laws or state constitutional amendments banning same-sex marriage.
-- Lawsuits challenging the denial of marriage equality to same-sex couples have been filed in California, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Washington and Oregon.
-- Vermont licenses civil unions, which provide all of the state-level rights and responsibilities of marriage but no federal protections.
-- Domestic partnership laws have been passed in California, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Maine and New Jersey.
Source: Human Rights Campaign
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"One voice is easily ignored or silenced, but when other people add their voices to yours, you become a chorus not easily ignored."--Wil "Just A Geek" Wheaton
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Well, this sounds familiar.
On April 5, the people of Kansas will vote on an amendment to their state constitution that would make families unconstitutional. That's right, yet another anti-marriage amendment.
November hasn't been that long ago. We still taste the bitterness of defeat. With support, though, maybe Kansas families won't have to go through what we [GG: in Michigan] did.
Times are tight for everyone right now, but if you could spare just a little for Kansas families, it would be greatly appreciated.
Go to www.kansansforfairness.org/.
Spread a little hope.
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