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Re: Bush

Postby kukalaka » Thu May 13, 2004 8:53 am

I wasn't sure whether to post this in the general humour or the politics thread, but it just cracked me up when I saw it last Weekend:







The slogan is: "You decide! Don't give a chance to cloning/clones" and it's an ad the Greens are using for the upcoming European election.




Private biases may be outside the reach of the law, but the law cannot, directly

or indirectly, give them effect.

kukalaka
 


Re: Bush /WMD

Postby Still Waters Run Deep » Thu May 13, 2004 9:51 am

This may have been already posted but...........



go to



http://www.google.com





type in: weapons of mass destruction but dont hit the return button. check the I'm feeling lucky tab....



read the error message that comes up...





I smiled

-----------------------------------

love and kisses

Still Waters



"just an old, saggy cloth cat. Baggy, and a bit loose at the seams, but Emily loved him"

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Google is my friend

Postby The Partisan » Thu May 13, 2004 4:14 pm

While you're at it



Google for "Waffles" & "Miserable Failure" - click on I'm Feeling Lucky. Gotta love Google.





The Partisan
 


Re: GEORGE BUSH, DECISIONMAKER/Red alert

Postby maudmac » Thu May 13, 2004 4:48 pm

Hee. Speaking of waffles...I want this t-shirt.


everybody here is outta sight   /   they don't bark and they don't bite

maudmac
 


Re: Supreme Court Refuses to Block Gay Marriages in Massachu

Postby Miss Ediths Bad Kitty » Mon May 17, 2004 10:49 am

(from suicidegirls.com..)



POLITICS: US Supreme Court Refuses to Block Gay Marriages in Massachusetts

SATURDAY MAY 15 2004 1:54 PM



The US Supreme Court today refused to block clerks in Massachusetts from issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples. The issuance of licenses will begin this Monday, May 17, 180 days after the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial court handed down its landmark decision stating that denying marriage rights to same-sex couples was unconstitutional in Massachusetts. They gave the legislature 180 days to prepare, meaning that the licenses will begin to issue on the 50th anniversary of the Brown v. Board of Education decison from the US Supreme Court, which struck down the "separate but equal" doctrine that had kept schools and public facilities legally racially segregated. In the past week, gay marriage opponents have sought to stop the first wholly legal same-sex marraiges by brining suit in federal court, alleging that the justices on the SJC had not decided on the merits of the original case and had overstepped their bounds in declaring that same-sex marraiges were constitutional in Massachusetts. The federal district judge held on May 13 that the justices had acted appropriately in their capacity. An emergency appeal was filed today with the First District Court of Appeals, which declined to hear arguments on the case until June. An emergency appeal was then taken directly to the US Supreme Court today, which issued its ruling almost immediately. Without comment, the Court declined to hear the appeal, meaning that there is absolutely no more legal avenue at this point to block Massachusetts from forging civil rights history by issuing the licenses after this weekend.



:pride :applause :sheep

Miss Ediths Bad Kitty
 


Mass. Gay Marriage

Postby wildnexu » Mon May 17, 2004 9:55 pm

Quote:
Without comment, the Court declined to hear the appeal, meaning that there is absolutely no more legal avenue at this point to block Massachusetts from forging civil rights history by issuing the licenses after this weekend




this is just the first battle in a war.Two years from now those gay couples might find ther marriage licenses are worthless.



in 2006 the amendment to ban gay marriages in Kennedyvile will come before the voters.



An ammendment woud not be an obstacle to gay rights it would be the roverbal 1000 lbs Gorilla.



I used to think the Mass. decision went to far now i think it is not enough.How can I live in one state that grants marriages to gays while knowing my brothers and sisters in another are denied that basic human right.I think we need to stop at nothing less than full federal recognition of gay civil marriage.



tabby

wildnexu
 


"Camp Redemption"

Postby Ben Varkentine » Thu May 20, 2004 1:21 pm

Voodoo politics...where what you call something changes what it is.



Quote:
Abu Ghraib is where U.S. troops sexually humiliated and abused Iraqi prisoners in their custody. Its name has been changed to "Camp Redemption" at the suggestion of the Iraqi Governing Council.




www.local6.com/news/3317600/detail.html







Ben



"Never be discouraged from being an activist because people tell you that you'll not succeed. You have already succeeded if you're out there representing truth or justice or compassion or fairness or love."

-- Doris 'Granny D' Haddock

Ben Varkentine
 


camp redemption

Postby wildnexu » Thu May 20, 2004 7:08 pm



that is ridiculous.why we are at it why don't we call auschwitz a crash diet center and refer to the KKK as Bed sheet enthusiasts.



in murder is life termination assistance.



the place needs to be leveled.not even osama Bin Laden deserves the treatment those detainess received.



I will not be satisfied until EVERYONe who had a hand in this in any way whatsoever has been severely and swiftly dealt with.



Those scum eating morons reduced us to saddams level.I do not blame all the military but this gives a black eye to everyone who serves in uniform.



Tabby :rage

wildnexu
 


a yawn and a grrr

Postby maudmac » Fri May 21, 2004 12:32 pm

yawn - Anyone else bored to death by John Kerry?



grrr - What the hell is Ralph Nader thinking?



I get that he wants to challenge the two-party system and blah blah. I support that - in theory. But the stakes are too high this time around. Not just for America but for every person on Earth. So Nader snagged the Reform Party endorsement, which will probably put him on the ballot in Florida. Great. That's exactly where we need someone to bleed votes off Kerry. What a mess.



Anyway, I wouldn't be so happy about having the same party behind me that ran Pat Buchanan last time. Let's remember some of Pat Buchanan's words:



"Homosexuality involves sexual acts most men consider not only immoral, but filthy. The reason public men rarely say aloud what most say privately is they are fearful of being branded 'bigots' by an intolerant liberal orthodoxy that holds, against all evidence and experience, that homosexuality is a normal, healthy lifestyle."



"Homosexuality is not a civil right. Its rise almost always is accompanied, as in the Weimar Republic, with a decay of society and a collapse of its basic cinder block, the family."



"AIDS is nature's retribution for violating the laws of nature."




I wouldn't touch the Reform Party with a thousand-foot pole for no other reason than the fact they let that nazi into their bed. I know it's a party that feels strongly they should avoid pretty much all "social issues" but running as vile a candidate as Pat Buchanan is unconscionable and unforgiveable, as far as I'm concerned. I don't care how much they want to promote organic farming, they can go to hell.



I actually am in agreement with most of the Reform Party's planks, but vehemently opposed to a few. But their attempts to avoid a stance on social issues (thanks to founder Perot's position that such things were "divisive" and ultimately unresolvable) is outrageous to me. Nothing is more important to me than a party's stance on social issues. The Reform Party manages to come down really hard on things like immigration, yet they back off taking a stand on LGBT rights?



Silence amounts to complicity.



Finally, Kerry and Bush are neck and neck right now. A recent Associated Press-Ipsos poll indicated Nader has 6 percent support nationwide. You know how this is likely to go down. I'm pretty sick of deja-ing that vu.



I think I'm going to require hospitalization come November 3rd.


and i don't really care if you think i'm strange   /   i ain't gonna change

maudmac
 


Re: Mass. Gay Marriage

Postby kukalaka » Mon May 24, 2004 7:20 am

"Homosexuality is not a civil right. Its rise almost always is accompanied, as in the Weimar Republic, with a decay of society and a collapse of its basic cinder block, the family."



That one's just great. Because the Weimar Republic was such a thread to civilization (well, it was, but only because it wasn't able to defend itself) whereas the Nazis with their persecution of homosexuals and their idea of what a woman should be (Caring for the family and give birth to lots and lots of future soldiers.) turned out to be a great experiment.



:puke and :angry


Private biases may be outside the reach of the law, but the law cannot, directly

or indirectly, give them effect.

kukalaka
 


US will tear down "camp redemption"

Postby Ben Varkentine » Mon May 24, 2004 11:30 pm

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5032107/

Ben



"Never be discouraged from being an activist because people tell you that you'll not succeed. You have already succeeded if you're out there representing truth or justice or compassion or fairness or love."

-- Doris 'Granny D' Haddock

Ben Varkentine
 


Re: US will tear down "camp redemption"

Postby emma peel » Tue May 25, 2004 12:44 am

Thanks for that link, Ben, but jeez louise!!! I haven't seen a picture of Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski before, but they couldn't have possibly picked a more unflattering photo! Please don't scare me like that again. That is one of the fugliest!!!!



emma peel
 


Re: US will tear down "camp redemption"

Postby Ben Varkentine » Tue May 25, 2004 1:41 am

I've seen other pictures of Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski. It's not the photo. She really looks like that. She doesn't get any better.

Ben



"Never be discouraged from being an activist because people tell you that you'll not succeed. You have already succeeded if you're out there representing truth or justice or compassion or fairness or love."

-- Doris 'Granny D' Haddock

Ben Varkentine
 


Kucinich

Postby maudmac » Wed May 26, 2004 9:47 pm

I met Dennis Kucinich tonight. He's in town speaking for a couple days. Bless his heart, he's going everywhere, not just the swing states.



It just reaffirmed my belief that he should be President. Never gonna happen, but it's nice to have him around to show that not everyone in the Democratic Party is a baby Republican.


and i don't really care if you think i'm strange   /   i ain't gonna change

maudmac
 


Re: Kucinich

Postby Gatito Grande » Thu May 27, 2004 1:51 pm

. . . and I just saw him last night on In the Life (the LGBT news mag on PBS). ITL invited all the candidates to speak, and guess who was the only one (I think) to take 'em up on the offer? :pride



GG Voted for Dean in the primary, will vote for Kerry in the fall, but am *so glad* Kucinich ran, and is still (putatively) in the race :applause Out

Gatito Grande
 


Re: Kucinich

Postby maudmac » Fri May 28, 2004 1:36 am

GG, that sucks that he was the only one to show. Not surprising, but suck-worthy nonetheless.



Part of what Kucinich is doing now is trying to get people to vote for him in their primaries. Because we still haven't even had our primary here in Alabama. So voting for Kucinich in these later primaries will hopefully give him enough delegates at the convention to at least raise within the party some of the issues he cares about. Issues, by the way, that all Democratic candidates ought to care so much about.



I was so happy to see such strongly Democratic candidates this time around. People like Kucinich and Dean gave me a little flicker of hope that we might end up with a real alternative to the GOP in this election. Alas, it wasn't to be. Of course I'll be voting for Kerry in November, but, as with the last election, it's really more a vote against Bush than a vote for the Democrat.


and i don't really care if you think i'm strange   /   i ain't gonna change

maudmac
 


Primaries

Postby kukalaka » Fri May 28, 2004 3:28 am

Can someone please tell me why the primaries aren't all at the same time? Or at least not that far apart? Because voting when all has been decided already isn't exactly my idea of fun :


IDIC

kukalaka
 


Re: Primaries

Postby Gatito Grande » Fri May 28, 2004 3:56 pm

It's because Iowa (caucuses) and New Hampshire (primary) have worked out a sweet little deal where they get to go first, w/ all (well, most) of the other states moving up their primaries/caucuses earlier and earlier, to follow Iowa/NH ASAP.



It could be done so much better (fairer). Either rotate the states (say, in four groups of states w/ primaries on four successive Tuesdays), or a lottery, or something. Just some way where larger states and more urban states and more racially diverse states get a chance to go first once in a while (the populations of Iowa and New Hampshire are far from representative of the nation as a whole).



GG Yet Presidential election cycle after Presidential election cycle, one of the first promises that Iowa and NH extract from the candidates, is to support the status quo, wherein they go first. It's wack. :spin Out

Gatito Grande
 


Re: Kucinich

Postby maudmac » Fri May 28, 2004 4:49 pm

That's a great idea, GG. And it would probably have a huge impact on the kind of candidates who would be perceived as frontrunners.



Just on race alone, Iowa (93.9% white) and New Hampshire (96.0%) are quite far from the national average (75.1%). Toss New York (67.9%), California (59.5%), Texas (71.0%), or, hell, even Alabama (71.1%) in there and I can't help but believe it would eventually alter the makeup of the list of candidates. Even states with higher-than-average white populations, like Florida (78.0%) or Michigan (80.2%) are a whole lot closer to the average than Iowa and New Hampshire. (96% white?!? I can't even imagine such a place. :lol )



It seems to me that it would be far more fair to let the most populous states go first. That's just common sense. Or at least squish the primaries together so there's not almost half a year between the first ones and the last.



The way it's done now makes the process more or less pointless and certainly takes the power to choose among the candidates away from lots and lots of people.


and i don't really care if you think i'm strange   /   i ain't gonna change

maudmac
 


Canadian Election

Postby dekalog » Fri Jun 04, 2004 9:55 am

Sorry to everyone for the nationalism of the post BUT we have a National Election here in Canada on June 28 and it frightens me how 'Bush-Like" the right is getting in Canada.



www.torontostar.com/NASAp...8793972154



A vote on the abortion issue :gnome



I thought we were past this. And all this guy is running on is voters anger about the sponsorship scandal. Growing up in Alberta I 've seen what this guy is about and it frightens me that he is doing so well in the polls.



If you are a Canadian please vote in the election and please there are other alternatives to the Conservative's if you are pissed at the Liberal's.



dekalog
 


Re: Primaries

Postby AmbeRocks » Fri Jun 04, 2004 4:09 pm

it shocked me too when i heard him talk about abortion... i know they won't win here in quebec (it's gonna be Bloc Québécois as always), but the thing is, by voting for the BC, we let more chances to the conservatives (who yes frightens me because they little Bush-like)

I don't want our country to go back in time and idea, it was going kinda well for that, no going back!!!





jen:fallen

There is such a variety of well-invented things that the earth is like the breasts of a woman: useful as well as pleasing - Nietzsche

AmbeRocks
 


F*ck you too, Dick!

Postby Gatito Grande » Thu Jun 24, 2004 11:26 pm

Geez, Dick's got the Supreme Court in his pocket, and he still feels the need to open his foul mouth on the floor of the Senate? [He'd probably like to shut the place down, and just have the dictatorship he and Dubya love so much :mad ]



Quote:
Cheney Utters 'F-Word' in Senate -- Aides



By Thomas Ferraro



WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) blurted out the "F word" at Democratic Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont during a heated exchange on the Senate floor, congressional aides said on Thursday.



The incident occurred on Tuesday in a terse discussion between the two that touched on politics, religion and money, with Cheney finally telling Leahy to "f--- off" or "go f--- yourself," the aides said.



"I think he was just having a bad day," Leahy was quoted as saying on CNN, which first reported the incident. "I was kind of shocked to hear that kind of language on the floor."



"That doesn't sound like language the vice president would use but there was a frank exchange of views," said Cheney spokesman Kevin Kellems.



According to congressional aides, Leahy said hello to Cheney following the taking of the Senate group photo on the floor of the chamber.



Cheney, who is president of the Senate, then ripped into Leahy for the Democratic senator's criticism this week of alleged war profiteering in Iraq (news - web sites) by Halliburton, the oil services company that Cheney once ran.



Leahy and other Democrats have called for congressional hearings into whether the vice president helped the firm win lucrative contracts in Iraq after the U.S.-led war that toppled Saddam Hussein (news - web sites).



During their exchange, Leahy noted that Republicans had accused Democrats of being anti-Catholic because they are opposed to some of President Bush (news - web sites)'s anti-abortion judges, the aides said.



That's when Cheney unloaded with the "F-bomb," aides said.



With the Senate sharply divided, Democrats and Republicans have had numerous partisan battles in recent years on matters from taxes to health care.



"Things have been pretty bad around here," said Sen. Max Baucus, a Montana Democrat. "But as far as I know, as far as I'm concerned, this is a new low."



According to Senate rules, profanity is not permitted while the chamber is in session. But when the exchange occurred between Leahy and Cheney, the Senate was not in session so there was technically no foul.



Earlier on Thursday, before word of the exchange spread, Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle, a South Dakota Democrat, stood in the chamber and spoke of the need to improve civility with what he called the "politics of common ground."




story.news.yahoo.com/news...scenity_dc



GG Mother(Earth)-f*cker :rage Out

Gatito Grande
 


Re: Cheney

Postby Triscuit7 » Fri Jun 25, 2004 7:23 am

Since the current administration has zero respect for anyone who does not hold their views, I can't say as I'm particularly surprised by Cheney. But since I have zero respect for said admin and since I can be a wee bit vindictive too, well I think part of my kids' section is a little too crowded. I'll have to see if I can make room there by getting rid of some of his wife's kids' books. :bigwave I need room there for something worthwhile like "Alex's Lemonade Stand" or maybe Mattie Stepanek's books. :kdevil Besides after reading the 9/11 portion of Richard Clarke's book "Against All Enemies" I have to say that I don't think Lynne Cheney has two brain cells close enough to rub together let alone share electrical discharges. She kept interfering with communications on 9/11 because she wanted to watch CNN, kept turning up the volume. Very scary. Soooo, bye bye books.



And while I love this little icon :sheep I find I need to share my 81 year-old dad's name for Dubya ... muttonf***er. Sometimes my dad makes me smile. :heart



Ciao, Melissa

******************



Do something totally irrational and let the enemy think himself to death. (Pyanfar Chanur)

Triscuit7
 


Resistance is Futile! 7 of 9 destroys GOP Sen cand

Postby Gatito Grande » Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:45 am

[Is it just me, or is the political news getting weirder (is this what they call the "silly season")?]



Quote:
GOP Sources: Ryan to Abandon Senate Bid



By DAVID ESPO and RON FOURNIER, Associated Press Writers



WASHINGTON - Illinois Republican candidate Jack Ryan intends to abandon his Senate bid after four days spent trying to weather a political storm stirred by sex club allegations, GOP officials said Friday.



A formal announcement was expected within hours, said these officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity.



Ryan conducted an overnight poll to gauge his support in the wake of the allegations made by his ex-wife in divorce records unsealed earlier this week. Aides said in advance his only options were to withdraw or to redouble his campaign efforts with a massive infusion of money from his personal wealth.



Illinois GOP leaders would select another candidate in the event of a withdrawal. Ryan's replacement would become an instant underdog in a campaign against Democratic State Sen. Barack Obama.



One official said a withdrawal statement was in the drafting stages. Two officials said Ryan's staff was spreading the word of his intentions. "He knows he can't go on," said one official, who spoke with the campaign.



Illinois Republican Party leaders convened a teleconference, although it wasn't clear whether they had yet turned to discussion of who might replace Ryan some four months before the November election.



While polls have shown Ryan trailing Obama from the start, several party strategists said they were concerned about the impact on Republicans running for the state legislature and other offices if he stayed on the ballot.



The Senate election is to replace Republican Peter Fitzgerald, who decided not to seek a second term.



Ryan has been struggling for political survival since Monday, when divorce records were released showing that his ex-wife, actress Jeri Ryan, said he took her to sex clubs and tried to pressure her to perform sex acts while others watched. :wtf Ryan has denied the allegations.



Although Fitzgerald and the National Republican Senatorial Committee stood by Ryan, he came under immediate pressure from many GOP officials in his home state to relinquish his nomination.



Members of the state's GOP congressional delegation met with House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., on Thursday to discuss the issue, and one official said afterward that the speaker concurred that Ryan needed to step aside.



Hastert declined to elaborate Friday, simply saying, "That's up to him. It's his choice. It's not whether I want to or not."



Fitzgerald said Friday that he had encouraged Ryan to stay in the race, calling the response to the scandal "grotesque."



"I told him that it troubled me greatly that so many party leaders who had no trouble stomaching years and years of corruption and insider deals and scandals under George Ryan were now lining up to throw stones at Jack (no relation to George Ryan)," Fitzgerald said.



"I think the public stoning of Jack Ryan is one of the most grotesque things I've seen in politics," he said. He said he talked to Ryan on Thursday but hadn't spoken with him since then.



Ryan, 44, was seen by many as the party's best hope of revitalization after a devastating 2002 election, in which Illinois Republicans lost control of the governor's office and nearly every statewide office, and an ongoing corruption scandal involving former Gov. George Ryan, who has since been indicted.



But those hopes were dashed by the unsealing of his divorce records. Ryan had fought the unsealing, saying it would harm his 9-year-old son. The Chicago Tribune and Chicago TV station WLS sued to have the records released.



Ryan had no public appearances planned Friday and his campaign staff did not return calls. Campaign spokesman Kelli Phiel declared repeatedly Thursday that "Jack Ryan is in the race to stay," even as Ryan saw GOP support dwindle even further during the day.



Meanwhile, the Illinois Republican Party prepared for a previously scheduled evening leadership retreat designed to advise GOP candidates on winning in November.



The GOP cannot force Ryan off the ballot, but if he drops out before Aug. 27, the party can put up a new candidate. Among those mentioned: state Sen. Steve Rauschenberger and dairy owner Jim Oberweis, both of whom lost to Ryan in the primary, and former state Board of Education (news - web sites) chairman Ron Gidwitz.




news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=...te_scandal



GG This story is so bizarrely funny, I can think of nothing further to add :lol Out



[Melissa: heh-heh, your dad's nickname reminds me of slogan I wanted to put on a T-shirt back when the "Exxon Valdez" f*cked up Prince William Sound in Alaska: it would show a picture of an oil-covered bird, w/ the slogan underneath "Exxon is a feathermucker!" :mad Has Halliburton had any "accidents" that harmed birds? Love to pull that lil' gem out of cold storage again :hmm ]

Edited by: Gatito Grande at: 6/25/04 11:20 am
Gatito Grande
 


The Governator at it again

Postby Warduke » Fri Jun 25, 2004 1:13 pm

Now my hatred for the 'governator' is complete.



From Yahoo...



Quote:
Governor Wants to Repeal Law Favoring Pet Adoption



By Robert Salladay Times Staff Writer



SACRAMENTO — In his brief political career, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has challenged powerful state unions, prison guards and wealthy American Indian tribes alike. But now he is up against a group with far greater numbers and a louder voice: animal lovers.



Schwarzenegger wants to repeal California's comprehensive law forcing animal shelters to hold stray cats and dogs up to six days before killing them, a budget-cutting move that has enraged pet adoption groups.



As a favor to the state's cash-poor counties and cities, Schwarzenegger has asked the state Legislature to reverse the 1998 law, which makes adoption of wayward pets the first priority of shelters instead of quickly putting them to death. The law is dubbed the Hayden Act, after former Santa Monica state senator and activist Tom Hayden.



"This is an issue that affects the care and protection of tens of thousands of stray animals, and will inflict heartbreak on a lot of owners and people in the animal adoption world," Hayden said Thursday.



Few issues can incite animal lovers more than the abuse or killing of pets. Los Angeles' animal services director, Jerry Greenwalt, retired in April after protesters vandalized his house and spray-painted "murderer" on his car. Claiming the city killed too many animals, protesters also picketed the San Pedro home of Mayor James K. Hahn (only to be targeted themselves by Hahn's neighbors, armed with squirt guns.)



Many experienced politicians say it is best to either be an advocate for animals or stay clear of the issue.



"There is no organized constituency of cats and dogs, but certainly the pet owners of America will find this reprehensible," said Barbara O'Connor, director of the Institute for the Study of Politics and Media at Cal State Sacramento.



"Cats and dogs are like mom and apple pie. Don't mess with the pets. Most people prefer them to other people."



Hahn, in fact, announced last year that the city would stop killing animals by 2008, but Los Angeles continues to put to death cats, dogs and other animals that are not adopted. The city handles more than 60,000 animals each year and kills about 34,000, or 54%. An estimated 600,000 dogs and cats are put to death each year statewide.



The Schwarzenegger administration said repealing the Hayden Act could save local governments up to $14 million. As proposed, shelters would be allowed to kill dogs and cats after holding them just 72 hours, regardless of whether the shelters are open to the public during those three days.



But animal rights activists believe cats and dogs should not be sacrificed in an effort to save money amid the state's budget shortfall.



"It's sad they would put a price tag on the animals," said Kathy Riordan, a member of the Los Angeles Animal Services Commission and daughter of Schwarzenegger advisor and former Mayor Richard Riordan.



Schwarzenegger has proposed a change in the law to allow birds, hamsters, potbellied pigs, rabbits, snakes, turtles and other animals that are not cats and dogs to be put to death immediately after capture if the shelter favors that approach, animal rights groups said. Currently, a minimum six-day window covers all animals, but the protections for everything but cats and dogs would be eliminated under the changes.



Schwarzenegger also would eliminate a requirement that people convicted of animal cruelty be prohibited from owning a pet for three years and be forced to pay for medical care for the animals they have mistreated.



Shelters no longer would be required to search for owners who have embedded microchips in their pets that store addresses and phone numbers.



There are signs that Schwarzenegger has a growing understanding of how volatile the issue of animal protection can be.



Amid complaints from animal rights groups, the Schwarzenegger administration said it has been working to keep portions of the Hayden Act that do not cost local shelters money, such as requiring pets to be offered to nonprofit rescue groups before they are killed.

       

Schwarzenegger's aides are expected to meet soon with animal rights groups and local governments to reach a compromise on the issue before the 2004-05 state budget is approved by the Legislature, perhaps as soon as this weekend.



H.D. Palmer, a spokesman for the state's Department of Finance, said the administration would like to cut costs for local governments but also fix an unintended consequence that local governments said came because of the Hayden Act: overcrowding because shelters must hold even vicious dogs for up to six days. Subsequently, Palmer said, shelters have been forced to kill animals to make room for new animals than come in every day.



"Because of space limitations, the shelters are being forced to euthanize animals who are otherwise highly adoptable immediately after the holding time," Palmer said, "whereas before that they could use some discretion and delay that."



Pet adoption and animal rights groups said repeal of the Hayden Act would sacrifice protections for animals in order to save cities and counties money, although exactly how much money is being disputed. But many also said they do not believe Schwarzenegger would purposely advocate killing animals sooner to save local budgets.



"They are attempting to cut this budget with a hatchet instead of a scalpel, and they are not thinking rationally," said Rich McLellan, director of the Animal Legislative Action Network in Los Angeles and a consultant on the 1998 legislation.



Jennifer Fearing, director of programs for United Animal Nations in Sacramento, said the Hayden Act managed to move California to fairly reasonable shelter standards — certainly not groundbreaking — and ending the law would set California back. "It wasn't like we revolutionized things," she said, "but we greatly improved the status of animals in shelters, and we focused on a policy of not killing animals. This undoes all of that."



Under the current law, animals at shelters must be held at least four business days before the shelter can consider killing them. A stray animal must be kept at least six days if the shelter is open only Monday through Friday and does not offer evening hours.



The optional evening and weekend hours often give owners time to search for lost pets after work and allow nonprofit rescue workers time to search for dogs and cats to offer for adoption themselves. Nonprofit rescue shelters also pay government-run shelters to take cats and dogs and save them from death.



Some lawmakers say Schwarzenegger should not repeal part of the law that requires people convicted of animal cruelty to pay the veterinary costs of the injured animal. That item is under discussion this week.



"If we repeal that, guess who has to pay for the cost? The taxpayers," said Assemblyman Lloyd Levine (D-Van Nuys). "We are overturning a policy I think most people would agree with and we are going to be costing the state money."



The state has been struggling with how to close a $15-billion shortfall, and counties and cities have been complaining that lawmakers continually put spending mandates on them without reimbursement. For counties, the requirement to hold cats and dogs has been a complaint since the Hayden Act passed.



Exactly how much local governments are being forced to spend because of the Hayden Act has been the subject of dispute for years. The Commission on State Mandates said two years ago that local governments are owed $79.2 million, a figure the state auditor later said was inflated. Who pays for state laws about animal shelters is now the subject of a lawsuit and a bill in the Legislature.



"I believe it's premature not only because of the pending court cases, but also premature because we don't have an assessment of how much is owed," said Taimie Bryant, a UCLA law professor who teaches a class on animal law and helped write the Hayden Act.



Lawmakers say repealing the Hayden Act has not been given a proper hearing in a policy committee and should not have been inserted into the proposed state budget without oversight. Now, some are threatening to withhold their vote on the budget until the Schwarzenegger administration withdraws or alters its plan.



"As far as I'm concerned, this throws a wrench in the budget negotiations," said Assemblyman Paul Koretz (D-West Hollywood). "I would not want to make this part of the budget vote. Why would we want to make it easier to kill adoptable animals?"



Firefox: One Browser To Rule Them All.

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Illinois' Jack Ryan Abandons Senate Bid

Postby skittles » Fri Jun 25, 2004 5:08 pm

Chicago Tribune



Illinois' Jack Ryan Abandons Senate Bid



By MAURA KELLY LANNAN

Associated Press Writer

Published June 25, 2004, 5:25 PM CDT



CHICAGO -- Illinois Senate candidate Jack Ryan dropped out of the race Friday amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations that horrified fellow Republicans and caused his once-promising candidacy to implode in four short days.



"It's clear to me that a vigorous debate on the issues most likely could not take place if I remain in the race," Ryan, 44, said in a statement. "What would take place, rather, is a brutal, scorched-earth campaign -- the kind of campaign that has turned off so many voters, the kind of politics I refuse to play."



The campaign began to come apart Monday following the release of embarrassing records from Ryan's divorce. In those records, his ex-wife, "Boston Public" actress Jeri Ryan, said Ryan took her to kinky sex clubs in Paris, New York and New Orleans and tried to get her to perform sex acts with him while others watched.



Ryan disputed the allegations, saying he and his wife went to one "avant-garde" club in Paris and left because they felt uncomfortable.



In quitting the race, Ryan lashed out at the media and said it was "truly outrageous" that the Chicago Tribune got a judge to unseal the records.



"The media has gotten out of control," he said.



Top Illinois Republicans immediately began the work of selecting a new candidate. Their choice will become an instant underdog against Democratic state Sen. Barack Obama in the campaign for the seat of retiring GOP Sen. Peter Fitzgerald. Obama held a wide lead even before the scandal broke.



"I feel for him actually," Obama said on WLS-AM. "What he's gone through over the last three days I think is something you wouldn't wish on anybody. Unfortunately, I think our politics has gotten so personalized and cutthroat that it's very difficult for people to want to get in the business."



Ryan had faced mounting pressure to quit from party leaders, who met several times in Washington this week to discuss whether the campaign could survive.



"He really was a dead man walking," Gary MacDougal, former Illinois Republican Party chairman.



Ryan conducted an overnight poll to gauge his support. After reviewing the results, Ryan's advisers told the candidate that the only way to survive would be wage an extremely negative and expensive response.



"Jack Ryan made the right decision. I know it must have been a difficult one," said House Speaker Dennis Hastert of Illinois, who made his feelings known by canceling a fund-raising event scheduled for Thursday with Ryan.



Ryan was a political neophyte when he got into the race -- a millionaire investment banker who had left business four years ago to teach at an all-boys parochial school in Chicago. He spent $3 million of his own fortune to win the primary.



With his good looks and Harvard background, Ryan was seen by many as the party's best hope for revitalizing the Illinois GOP. The party lost control of the governor's office and nearly every statewide office two years ago in the wake of a corruption scandal involving then-Gov. George Ryan, who has since been indicted. He is not related to Jack Ryan.



During the primary, Ryan waved off rumors of damaging sex allegations in his sealed divorce records, assuring state officials there was nothing in the file to worry about.



But the Tribune and Chicago TV station WLS sued for the records' release, and a California judge ordered them unsealed. The couple fought to keep the records sealed, saying the release could harm their 9-year-old son.



"The fact that the Chicago Tribune sues for access to sealed custody documents and then takes unto itself the right to public details of a custody dispute -- over the objections of two parents who agree that the re-airing of their arguments will hurt their ability to co-parent their child and hurt their child -- is truly outrageous," he said.



Although most party leaders abandoned Ryan, Fitzgerald said Friday that he had encouraged him to stay in the race. "I think the public stoning of Jack Ryan is one of the most grotesque things I've seen in politics," the senator said.



Ryan won the GOP primary by more than 10 percentage points over his two closest rivals, dairy owner James Oberweis and state Sen. Steve Rauschenberger.



Both Oberweis and Rauschenberger said this week that they would step in as Ryan's replacement if party leaders asked. Rauschenberger suggested the party might also ask Fitzgerald to reconsider his decision to retire. Also mentioned as a possible replacement was U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald.



(end of article)

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Re: The Governator at it again

Postby Willowlicious » Fri Jun 25, 2004 5:52 pm

Quote:
"Cats and dogs are like mom and apple pie. Don't mess with the pets...."




Damn straight. I can't even believe they're considering this. :rage

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Re: The Governator at it again

Postby skittles » Fri Jun 25, 2004 6:41 pm

I can't confirm this, but it was posted at another board about "governator" and this "bill"



Quote:
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has withdrawn his proposal to make it easier for shelters to kill stray dogs and cats after receiving input from his daughter.


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Re: The Governator at it again

Postby Warduke » Fri Jun 25, 2004 9:08 pm

It's true skittles...



From Yahoo...



Quote:
Schwarzenegger Reverses Stand on Strays



SACRAMENTO, Calif. - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, in the doghouse with animal-welfare advocates for proposing that shelters be allowed to kill stray animals more quickly to save money, said Friday that his budget recommendation was a mistake.



As part of his budget proposal first drafted in December, the governor had asked the Legislature to repeal a 1998 law that requires the shelters to hold dogs and cats up to six days before destroying them. The governor wanted to save local goverments that operate the shelters $14 million by cutting the waiting period in half.



But after a nationwide storm of protest, the governor organized a press conference outside his Capitol office and confessed to his error.



"I realized last night that there was a mistake that I made on the budget," he explained, noting he had only a few weeks to put his proposed budget together between his inauguration in November and when the document went to the printers in December.



Statewide, an estimated 600,000 dogs and cats are put to death each year — 34,000 in Los Angeles alone. In addition to cats and dogs, the shelters also care for many other animals including birds, hamsters, potbellied pigs, rabbits, snakes and turtles.



H.D. Palmer, a spokesman for the state Department of Finance, had said the six-day waiting period caused overcrowding and forced some shelters to kill off animals.



Political observers noted the issue was potentially volatile.



"Cats and dogs are like mom and apple pie," said Barbara O'Connor, director of the Institute for the Study of Politics and Media at California State University, Sacramento. "Don't mess with the pets. Most people prefer them to other people."



The Legislature is working to pass the state's budget before the next fiscal year begins July 1.



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Kerry Announces Edwards As Running Mate

Postby Warduke » Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:49 am

From Yahoo...



Quote:
Kerry Announces Edwards As Running Mate



By RON FOURNIER, AP Political Writer





WASHINGTON - Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry on Tuesday selected former rival John Edwards to be his running mate, calling the rich former trial lawyer and rookie senator a man who showed "guts and determination and political skill" in his unsuccessful race against Kerry for the party's nomination.

       

As Kerry announced his decision at a rally in Pittsburgh, a huge crowd of supporters burst into applause, waving handmade signs that mixed with professionally printed "Kerry-Edwards" placards kept under wraps until the last minute.



"I trust that met with your approval," Kerry said, a smile crossing his face. A banner unfurled behind him with the latest campaign message: "Kerry-Edwards. A stronger America."



As he wrapped up his remarks — a vintage Kerry stump speech laced with a few descriptions of Edwards — Chuck Berry's "Johnny B. Goode" played, a reference to the first name the running mates share.



By selecting Edwards, 51, Kerry went with the smooth-talking Southern populist over more seasoned politicians in hopes of injecting vigor and small-town appeal to the Democratic presidential ticket. Kerry, a decorated Vietnam veteran, calculated that he didn't need to add foreign policy heft to the ticket.



Called aloof by his critics, reserved by his supporters, Kerry hopes Edwards adds pizazz to the Democratic team. Edwards is rich, but his up-from-the-bootstraps biography made a compelling story during his nomination fight against Kerry and several other Democrats.



President Bush's allies at the Republican National Committee immediately labeled Edwards a "disingenuous, unaccomplished liberal" trial lawyer — even as Vice President Dick Cheney called to congratulate him. Spokeswoman Nicolle Devenish said Cheney congratulated Edwards and told his rival that he looked forward to the vice presidential debate and "a spirited campaign."



Rep. Dick Gephardt of Missouri, Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack and Sen. Bob Graham of Florida emerged as finalists in a search that began four months ago with a list of about 25 candidate and a mandate to find a political soul mate who would be "ready at any minute" to assume the presidency.



Kerry called all three also-rans, and perhaps one more, shortly before the rally, an aide said. He also telephoned 2000 Democratic nominee Al Gore, who in turn talked to Edwards.



Kerry's choice was a bow to internal pressure: Edwards was the most popular of the leading contenders for the job, according to an AP-Ipsos poll of registered voters taken last month, and party leaders had been urging Kerry to shed his initial resistance to the North Carolina senator, first elected in 1998.



In his 15-minute call to the North Carolina senator, Kerry said, "Teresa and I would like to ask you and Elizabeth to join us on our ticket to take back our country."



Edwards was at his home in Washington's Georgetown neighborhood when Kerry told the rally, "I have chosen a man who understands and defends the values of America, a man who has shown courage and conviction as a champion for middle-class Americans and for those struggling to reach the middle class, a man who has shown guts and determination and political skill in his own race for the presidency of the United States, a man whose life has prepared him for leadership."



Bush's re-election campaign rushed to the airwaves with a television ad featuring former Republican rival John McCain and titled "First Choice," an effort to paint Democrat John Kerry's running mate as his second choice. McCain, the Arizona senator, had rejected Kerry's overtures to be No. 2 on the Democratic ticket.



McCain says of Bush in the ad: "He has not wavered, he has not flinched from the hard choices, he was determined and remains determined to make this world a better, safer, freer place." Kerry's campaign rushed into production its own ad featuring the newly minted ticket.



The Bush-Cheney ad alludes to what Republicans hope will be a problem for Edwards — his lack of foreign policy experience and political seasoning. It is not a new argument for Kerry: During the Democratic nomination fight, Kerry groused to associates that Edwards had no right seeking the presidency after less than a single term in the Senate.



But aides said the Massachusetts senator steadily warmed to Edwards, first in the primary campaign, where he stood against Kerry until the end without going negative. After pulling out of the race, Edwards campaigned aggressively on Kerry's behalf and urged his contributors, mostly trial lawyers, to donate to his former rival's campaign.



Edwards' advisers, meanwhile, waged a quiet campaign on the North Carolina senator's behalf. Both Edwards and Gephardt had top aides who joined the Kerry campaign in recent weeks.



Edwards was at his home in Georgetown when Kerry called, readying his two young children for summer camp. Kerry called from his Pittsburgh home.



Obsessed with secrecy, Kerry kept his decision to himself until the last possible minute, giving Edwards no time to get to Pittsburgh in time. He met secretly with Edwards on Thursday — top aides for both men didn't know about the session — and the search team headed by Jim Johnson turned over its final reports to Kerry that night.



Kerry waited until Monday night to tell his top two aides, Johnson and campaign Manager Mary Beth Cahill, about his decision.



The Democratic ticket will meet up late Tuesday in Pittsburgh, where the candidates and their families will have dinner together at Kerry's estate. They fly to Ohio, a major battleground state, on Wednesday for their first joint appearance. Their multistate tour will take them to Edwards' home state of North Carolina, a GOP bastion that Kerry hopes to put in play with his selection.



Bush travels to the state Wednesday for a GOP counterpunch.



The Kerry-Edwards ticket will be nominated at the Democratic National Convention in Boston, which begins July 26. Kerry hopes to dominate the political landscape in the run-up to the convention, fleshing out his candidacy for voters who know little about him and hopefully opening a lead against Bush. Polls show the race is tight.



Edwards was the last major candidate standing against Kerry in the Democratic presidential race. He emerged as a favorite second choice of Democratic voters, thanks to his youthful good looks, a self-assured manner and an upbeat, optimistic style. He saved his harshest criticism for Bush, whom he accused of creating "two Americas" — one for the privileged, another for everyone else.



Kerry and Edwards are both wealthy. Kerry came about his money by marriage, Edwards through jury verdicts against corporations that he says wronged middle- and lower-class Americans.



Edwards and Kerry had few major policy disagreements — both supported the decision to go to war in Iraq, for example, and both voted against the $87 billion package for Iraq and Afghanistan.



One division was over the North American Free Trade Agreement: Kerry voted for it, but Edwards campaigned against NAFTA, which the Senate approved before he was elected. Edwards made trade, jobs and the economy the centerpiece of his campaign, questioning Kerry's vote on NAFTA but not pledging to seek its repeal.



They also differed in some ways on how to approach some issues. Both called for rolling back the Bush tax cuts, but Kerry proposed eliminating the tax cuts for those who make more than $200,000 a year while Edwards set the ceiling at $240,000. Kerry voted against the ban on so-called "partial birth" abortion passed by Congress, but Edwards did not vote. A more clear-cut difference was Kerry's opposition to the death penalty and Edwards' support of it.



Kerry finished first and Edwards second in the Iowa caucuses in January, surprising front-runner Howard Dean and driving regional favorite Gephardt out of the race. Dean finished second to Kerry in the New Hampshire primary, and as Dean lost the next dozen delegate contests, the race became a contest between Kerry and Edwards.



Yet Edwards could never muster enough momentum to overtake his Senate colleague. He won only a single state during the competitive phase of the primary, his native South Carolina, and ended his bid following the 10-state Super Tuesday elections on March 2. North Carolina gave Edwards a victory in its first presidential caucus on April 17, but the vote meant more as a boost to his standing at the Democratic National Convention and to his potential as a running mate.



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