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Re: Bookworm World Championship

Postby The Inward Sea » Fri Sep 06, 2002 4:29 pm

Darcy: I found very funny the shopping bags thing! Are the original shopping bags in which the books came or you just store the books in them?



Reading in a public transport is a great way of using *lost time*, but doesn't it make you a bit dizzy?



I don't concientiously classify my books, by they have a tendency to group by same topic :) Anyway, I always know where to find any of them. A book in the wrong place sticks out like a white brick in a red wall!



Tulipp: I would love to re-read some wonderful books not remembering what they are about! When I go back to them, I'm always looking for some moment or scene... and they never *taste* the same :(



New events are always welcome!



darkmagicwillow:
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I like the alternate history genre a lot as it mirrors a lot of the speculation I do about what might have happened if something had been a little different
That has become a new path in History. I can't remember the word for it in english, but in spanish it is *contrafactual* or *contrafactica* (you know, *against the facts*). Its fun, but it isn't real History because it is completely impossible to calculate what events could have happen instead the ones you take out. Anyway, it is useful to notice the importance of all the elements in a historical event. But its fun! :)



I find computer books boring. My favourites areas are History (of course!), Social Anthropology, Travel and Cats.



Sea

Edited by: The Inward Sea at: 9/6/02 3:31:25 pm
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Re: Bookworm World Championship

Postby MadeinNZ » Fri Sep 06, 2002 6:13 pm

OK - so, I once saw a book. And one time, I accidentally went into a bookstore - I was looking for the video store but its an honest mistake. Oh - and I can spell 'libary' - on a good day.



I feel you guys are way out of my league.

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Buffy: I'd like to find Willow and Xander
Joyce: Will you be slaying?
Buffy: Only if they give me lip

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Re: Bookworm World Championship

Postby darkmagicwillow » Fri Sep 06, 2002 7:04 pm

I do quite a bit of rereading and sometimes it would be nice to be able to forget more quickly and reread something now instead of having to wait a few years before the story becomes misty enough.



I think it's about the same in English, Sea, either counter- or contra-factual in English. You're right that it's not quite history but it does help you identify the important events. Thinking of that, have you read Connie Willi's Doomsday Book? It's about Kivrin, a history grad student, who's sent back in time to observe the past in a near future where history is a science because historians can go back and see what happened but they can't change anything. The characters both in the past and present are terribly vivid.



Hmmm...books about cats. Desmond Morris's Catwatching is good and I love Henry Beard's books, especially Poetry for Cats which includes distinguished feline verse from it's beginnings with "Grendel's Dog" by Beocat to "Meowl" by Allen Ginsburg's Cat. "The End of the Raven" is one of my favorites:



On a night quite unenchanting, when the rain was downward slanting,

I awakened to the ranting of the man I catch mice for.

Tipsy and a bit unshaven, in a tone I found quite craven,

Poe was talking to a Raven perched above the chamber door.

"Raven's very tasty," thought I, as I tiptoed o'er the floor,

"There is nothing I like more."





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"Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "   "Everything changes, but nothing is truly lost."

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Re: Chapter 5c

Postby Triscuit7 » Sat Sep 07, 2002 4:38 am

Hey Kittens,



I'll update today, but it's gonna be way late (evening EST).



Here I am thinking, oh, goody, I'm a little bit ahead, and my non-Kitten board obligations came around and bit me....



This has been one of the more surreal weeks I've experienced in retail. Don't worry, everything is fixed and fine and everything, but jeez!



1) I almost always work holidays and almost never get 2 days off back to back, but I had Sun and Labor Day Monday off - that should have been a clue.



2) Whenever I start late (noon) instead of early (8am), things at the store just feel off and I end up playing catch-up all day long. And I'm doing the late thing 4 of 5 days.



3) The store is in an urban mall and always has an interesting mix of characters tossed in among the customers. When my most regular shoplifter actually was semi-polite to me instead of mocking well, that should have been an indication of weirdness.



4) My security guard (new and female) got in a tiff at one of the eateries and isn't allowed back in there.



5) A shoplifter actually set the books down and left when the alarm system went off...usually they just saunter off, books in hand - he must have been new.



6) I generally get to listen to total strangers problems and often get TMI. I also get berated for stuff that happens that doesn't involve me or the store (how is it my fault that people in Phila talk too loudly?). There is always a full moon over my store....this week there were two of them.



7) Instead of being able to relax at home at the computer either writing or reading or surfing, I got to write bookseller reviews.... Finished now, yay!



8) Wed afternoon, one of my ASMs received a phone call that her 5 yr old was missing (he's okay) from home, so after 30 min of hysterics (justified), I got her into my borrowed car and we drove to her home, where her mother met us with the info that he was okay - was across the street playing Nintendo. But it was scary for a while and me driving and pretending to be calm and talking about everything to keep her distracted. Add in that I almost ran out of gas and well,....not fun.



9) And I just woke up from a dream in which the store was robbed, so...



Weird, surreal. Can I say I really don't want to go to work today? But I have to because I'm scheduled at 2 stores (mine in the afternoon), helping out in another this AM. Retail sux.



So I'll post tonight.



Ciao, Melissa





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I brought marshmallows!

Triscuit7
 


Re: Chapter 5c

Postby BethanyB3 » Sat Sep 07, 2002 8:02 am

Hey Melissa,

I have been keeping up with & as always loving your story. But alas, things have been crazy here & I've been a very negligent poster. Read your last post though & had to write, having once upon a time being in the crazy world of retail myself. Only have a moment as I am preparing to have way to much family over for the holiday (Rosh ha Shana), but just wanted to stop in and say hang in there, sorry things are crazy & I hope it's starts to smooth out. We still have to find a time to get together, do lunch or something. By the way I like that your shoplifters are so polite, ours in NJ never were. Anyway, take care & I hope today is better, ~ Beth



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Re: Bookworm World Championship

Postby The Inward Sea » Sat Sep 07, 2002 3:38 pm

MadeinNZ: I think you can apply as a BWC referee! :D



darkmagicwillow: Connie Willi's Doomsday Book is nowhere to be found here, but I'll grab it as soon as I can. You make it seem very interesting... Same happens with some of the books about cats you mention. I know Desmond Morris' work and really like him. Penguin released The Book of Cats many years ago and it's one of my all-time-favourite readings. It compiles poems and other wrintings about cats from famous authors. I like your quote of ¨The End of Raven"! I can imagine the cat's gaze! My cats like to lurk birds but they know it's not *polite* to catch them so we never have *distasteful* accidents :) I've been looking for ages for a sonnet by Petrarch in his old age about his cat. I know he wrote one but I can't find it anywhere... its one of those things you always have in the back of your mind, like Willow's doll's crystal eye :)



Triscuit7: That's a weird week! I always thought that managing a bookstore was the most wonderful destiny you could have, but you're making me reconsider that! :)



Sea

Edited by: The Inward Sea at: 9/7/02 2:44:09 pm
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Re: Bookworm World Championship

Postby darkmagicwillow » Sat Sep 07, 2002 6:12 pm

Triscuit, like Sea, I thought that managing a bookstore would be a wonderful job (any job surrounded by books has to be wonderful), but I didn't think about problems like shoplifters though I guess polite ones are better than rude ones.



Sea, I think Doomsday Book is still in print. It's great. My cat constantly watches the birds on my balcony, especially the babies, but he's confined indoors so doesn't get to catch any. The Petrarch sonnet sounds interesting...



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"Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "   "Everything changes, but nothing is truly lost."

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Edge of Silence - Chapter 5c: In the Silence of Your Deep

Postby Triscuit7 » Sat Sep 07, 2002 8:40 pm

Hi Kittens - Well, here's the update, a bit later than I'd expected, but hey, I'll be writing more tomorrow and I'm off on Tues. too - Yay!



So what can I tell you about the next bit? Um, probably no ice, or cold showers, or thudding helmets/pillows will be necessary. Probaby you can blame the weird week that I've had for that....



Rating - PG13 - R for sexual situations, innuendos, semi nudity, and just stuff.



Angst warning - 7/8 on a scale of 1-10.



******

It was all she could do not to skip.



Such a beautiful, glorious day! It cried out for skipping. But if she skipped she’d really seem like a dork. Wouldn’t she? Tara glanced sideways at Willow, who was smiling slightly at nothing – and everything.



She gave the hand she held a little squeeze, felt Willow squeeze back, and throwing caution to the winds, skipped a few steps.



“You’re happy,” Willow commented. “I like it when you’re happy.”



“You make me h-happy.”



“I do?” A note of wonder suffused Willow’s voice.



“Yes. You make me very happy,” Tara confirmed, with an emphatic nod that loosened the hair that she had tucked behind her ears. She skipped another few steps.



“Happy because I’m holding your hand?” Willow asked.



Tara nodded and gave her hand another squeeze. And for other reasons too, she thought.



Willow glanced down at their joined hands. “It’s just sooo strange how nervous I am to be doing this with you, and when I do it with Buffy I don’t even think about it.”



She turned a little to smile at her lover. “I’m n-not Buffy. I understand …”



Willow interrupted, “But why should I feel differently about it? She’s a girl and you’re a girl, and no one, well, uh, not too many people know we’re girlfriends and since those that do know wouldn’t care if I’m holding your hand, then why am I nervous about the ones who don’t know that we’re uh, girlfriends? That’s just soooo wrong of me.”



Tara parsed the Willow-babble carefully and decided she did know what Willow was saying, and that it was in fact what the onslaught of babble had prevented her from stating. “Y-You know the difference, sweetie – and because you do, you think everyone else does. That everyone seeing us thinks “oooh, lesbians”. We’re not wearing a sign that says that.”



She kept to herself her feeling that while Willow might be almost ready to admit publicly that they were lovers, she wasn’t ready to admit to being a lesbian – and that really was the crux of her love’s difficulty.



“So am I going to feel weird now when I hold Buffy’s hand?” Willow’s voice shook just a little.



“I d-don’t know, sweetie. Maybe?” Tara had no verbal reassurances for that question, and was pleased that they were almost at her dorm’s side door. Inside, she’d be able to hug her lover without restraint. They entered the basement common area and headed up the steps to Tara’s floor.



She noted the heightening color on Willow’s cheeks as they passed some of the students in the hall and gave her lover’s now icy cold hand a reassuring squeeze.



Willow finally broke her silence with a sigh. “It’s just that … It’s all just sooo stupid. This is … thinking this way is just wrong, but I can’t stop, and it’s making my stomach all acid-y.”



Tara hoped she could make it better inside as she fished in her pocket for her key. The door was a bit of a problem to negotiate since neither of them was willing to unlink hands. Almost in one motion she closed and locked the door, dropped the blanket and the bag, and pulled Willow into her arms. She gently rocked her love, swaying from side to side and letting her bury her face in her shoulder.



When Willow finally lifted her face, her green eyes were welling with tears. “You must h….”



“No, n-never. I would never ….” She refused to finish the phrase she’d interrupted. Gently she cupped her lover’s face and kissed the tears away. Drawing her close, she whispered, “I love you, Willow Rosenberg. I love you with all my heart.”



This wasn’t how she had imagined saying those words out loud to Willow for the first time. She’d usually dreamed of saying them while they made love, but there were other dreams too: dreams of kneeling before her offering a ring as she said the words; dreams that involved other jewelry, or flowers; there was even one incredibly silly one involving strawberries and cream .…



Never had she imagined speaking them while she held Willow’s sobbing body in her arms. And yet those few words fit this time, this occasion perfectly. They resonated in this here and now, their meaning and importance heightened by Willow’s need.



Her lover pressed into her body, and Tara tightened her arms about her.



Holding. Loving.



*****



She didn’t mean to be doing this. Any of this. She just hurt so much inside. Usually it was safely tucked away. Barricaded really – not tucked – because it was pain and it hurt. Tucking away was what you did to things that were nice, and fuzzy, and warm. This pain was none of those things, even if – in a way – it arose from nice, fuzzy, warm circumstances.



None of it was Tara’s fault. She was just here when the barricades broke down. Not really her fault at all, even though it was Tara-love that had eroded the foundations of those walls.



It all came rushing back. Jesse, dear dead Jesse, not seeing her while he looked at every other female in the world. Ice cream on her nose and Xander preferring to kiss someone they both despised. Her mother not caring enough to notice that she’d cut her hair and her father not around enough to have known that she even had hair. Angelus killing Ms. Calendar who did care about her. Oz finding love with another beast rather than staying with boring Willow. Giles treating her like a willful child ….



And Buffy.



Her best friend choosing to hang with Faith rather than her, choosing a bunch of soldier guys over time with her.



It hurt sooo much, but usually she could deal with it. She could close a door on it or push it under a rock. But not today. It was too much today, what with the addition of all her other anxieties, raising the levels so that the combined neuroses just spilled over.



The other anxieties – the ones that involved Tara.



The “did she-didn’t she” love her and the “was she-wasn’t she” gay now and especially the “oh-god-I’m-falling-in-love” thing all churned with the hurt until a whirlpool sucked at her soul.



She was so confused.



But … she did know some things. Some things were clear even in the midst of her turmoil. She had never, ever felt this way about another person. Not even when it had been good before, not even with Oz, had she felt like her heart was being held in warm hands. It would be so much easier if the person holding it was … wasn’t another girl. But easier didn’t mean better, and often meant not as good … right?



And why the hell was it called being “gay” anyway? She certainly didn’t think the emotions she was feeling were what Webster’s suggested as synonyms. On paper it looked like such a happy little word. Gay. Warm, bright, birds singing, flower petals in the air, dancing choruses.



Not that she was really that naïve. Well, she was, she admitted with an inward nod, but not about what being gay was likely to mean. It was going to be scary. Like being on a whole other Hellmouth.



The whole thing made her palms sweat.



So … she loved a girl, loved Tara. And she was falling “in love” with a girl, the aforementioned Tara – which probably meant, if she were honest with herself, that she was kinda gay. And since she was a naïve geek, that was probably why she heard birds singing and saw the air filled with petals when she looked at Tara. She just didn’t want a chorus of dancing anythings to suddenly join them.



Grimly she swept the combined hurt and pain and anxieties into a mass and pushed it back over the damaged wall. She stepped back and surveyed it. The thing leaked, but at least it was made out of wood and concrete, not earth; she didn’t need to stick her fingers in any holes. That imagery was just too weird.



She looked up in Tara’s face and hedged. “I can’t skip.” Sniffling a little still, she wiped at her nose.



“That’s okay, sweetie. I can.”



****



She pressed her lips to Willow’s forehead and brushed them over her damp cheeks, tasting her love’s emotions. She was beautiful even when she cried! And skipping – Tara knew that none of this was about the ability to skip. She’d triggered this – not specifically today, this moment, but she knew she was the catalyst. At least she was there to comfort Willow when it happened.



That her lover still evaded – still wouldn’t speak – about them … well, that was okay.



For now.



And while she wished her declaration of love had been able to stop Willow’s tears, she understood why it hadn’t. Willow was still horribly conflicted about her own feelings. She had no doubts that the clever brain in the beautiful head was processing the words and that Willow admitted them internally. If she denied them she would have been pushing her away, not pulling her ever tighter as she cried, right?



It had been the right time to pledge her love, even if she knew that Willow couldn’t acknowledge it.



Yet.



But her sweetie was so brave. She rested her forehead against Willow’s and swayed with her, listening to her breathing even out, become less halting. And when she judged the time was right ….



“Hey.” She lifted her head from her love’s and looked into the slightly reddened eyes..



“Hmmm?”



“I still have that chocolate, if you w-want it.”



“Choc ... chocolate.” Willow’s voice was still a little bit choked, but she smiled. Or rather, her mouth smiled. The green eyes had the same expression in them they’d carried the night that they had moved a soda machine together.



Oh yes! Tara’s soul leapt and spun around, skipping madly.



“Yes, ch-chocolate,” she said it calmly and almost clearly, in spite of what was happening inside her heart.



“And … what were you planning to do with this chocolate?” Willow inquired, her eyes lightening as mischief slowly pushing the awe back.



“Feed it to you?” she suggested.



“Oooooh, how?” Willow waggled her eyebrows.



Tara laughed, amazed again at her lover, who had never had any hesitations about the physical aspects of loving a woman. Willow’s hesitations were about … everything else.



“Ummmm, I was thinking with my fingers?” She had other ideas, of course, but she wasn’t certain if those were appropriate now.



Willow blushed and tossed her head back, sniffling a little still. “We could melt it. And …” She ducked her head in a gesture almost like Tara’s habitual one. “And I could lick it off you.”



No, not shy about the physical aspects at all! Tara rummaged about in her jacket pocket with one hand. She showed Willow the somewhat misshapen candy bar. “Melting probably isn’t necessary.”



“Where’d you have it? I mean, I looked …” her lover’s gaze dropped to her breasts. “But you said it wasn’t there.”



“Under my right thigh.”



“Ooooh, tricky woman. I like that.” Willow snuggled closer. “So can I lick it off?”



“Off wh-what, sweetie?” Tara teased – and wondered if her lover would be able to tell her.



Willow tilted her head back, smiling slyly. “Well, I have some ideas, but I don’t think I should say. I think you … um, no, we should undress, and climb into bed. Then you should shut your eyes and let me play.”



She smiled, and teasingly lifting the chocolate up over her head, she caroled, “What would you do for a ….”



“Chocolate bar?” Willow finished with a grin. “That’s not the right ending, but hey, it fits. And while you have a beautiful voice and all, I think what I’ll do is ….”



Willow-hands that had been quietly resting on or caressing her back as they held one another formed pointy little fingers and began tickling her sides.



“Oh, n-no, Willow, please!” She squirmed and twisted herself out of her lover’s grasp. Ducking and dodging about the room, she evaded Willow’s relentless pursuit. Finally, she paused at the foot of her bed and held the chocolate outstretched in one hand.



“Ahhh, a bribe. And what guarantee do I have that you won’t pull that out of reach again, hmmm?” Willow stalked around her grinning, circling ever closer.



Tara said nothing and just stood still, breathing a little rapidly from the tickle-chase, as her lover came within reach and closed her hand about hers. She felt the chocolate squish a bit at the additional pressure. Closer and closer Willow came, her motion forcing their joined hands down and to one side, until their bodies touched.



“Here.” She released it into her lover’s hand.



****



“Wise woman.” Willow stowed it in her own jacket pocket with a smile and slid her hands over Tara's sides. Soooo ticklish, she thought, noting the minute flinch that preceded her lover’s quiet sigh of pleasure. “But I think you’re wearing too many clothes.”



She caressed Tara, her thumbs brushing the sides of her breasts as she slipped her hands under the light jacket and pushed it off her love’s shoulders. Her girlfriend cooperated, shrugging a bit so that it slipped down her arms and over her hands to be tossed casually toward the rattan chair.



Willow tugged the long-sleeved t-shirt up and unbuttoned the soft corduroys. She brushed her fingertips over her lover’s soft tummy, feeling her skin flutter and hearing her soft intake of breath. Her hands slipping within the pants and over the firm bottom, she pulled Tara closer.



“What about your clothes?” Tara murmured in her ear.



“In a moment,” Willow replied, nuzzling her face into the soft skin of her lover’s neck. She felt Tara’s hands slip under her jacket, un-tuck her shirt and slide up her back. Skin. Her skin against Tara’s skin … it just felt so good. She sighed and her lover’s arms tightened about her in a gentle hug.



She loved the holding, the cuddling.



She’d always loved it – with Xander as a child, with Buffy on sleepovers. And with Oz, she had come to crave it.



Her fingers found and unhooked the clasp of Tara’s bra. She lifted her head from its pillow and pulled shirt and bra up – pausing while Tara lifted her hands – and over her lover’s head. A gentle toss sent them sailing towards the chair too.



Willow’s eyes dropped automatically to Tara’s breasts. She really couldn’t explain her fascination except – possibly – that she had next to nothing compared to them. Soft but firm, warm and yielding, she delighted in touching them, in making the coral nipples harden, because that was the first step in making Tara moan happily.



They were hard and erect now, simply because she was there – aroused without the benefit of her touch or her lips and tongue.



That was one of the big differences between her two lovers.



Even when it had been good with Oz, there had been a wall between them. Possibly it was only the wolf thing. Possibly it was more.



She had been the one pushing for the physical; he hadn’t. He’d been reluctant. And in what universe was that normal? But when they had finally made love, it had been good. Not that she had any basis for comparison, but she thought it had.



But it hadn’t been like this. She couldn’t keep her hands off Tara and Tara couldn’t keep her hands off her. More, she … they … seemed to have no barriers between them, no secrets. It was just her and just Tara, becoming … more.



She couldn’t help but compare that with Oz’s distance, especially at the end … with Veruca.



But how much of what she felt with Tara was because of the Nether Realms spell? If they hadn’t done that, if she hadn’t come back to Tara’s loving, if they hadn’t shared everything because of that spell, would she be feeling so … connected … to this beautiful woman?



Except she had felt a bond with Tara since the first time their hands had touched. Was magic what drew them together? Was that the attraction and the glue?



But it made her head hurt and her heart ache to even consider not being with ….



“W-Willow … sweetie.” Tara touched her cheek with the back of her left hand.



She must have been motionless, just thinking, for long moments, because her lover looked extremely anxious. Her serenity and happiness appeared to have fled, replaced by a tense frown.



“Tara,” Willow heard her voice break around her lover’s name. “I ….”



“W-We don’t have to do th-this now.” Tara’s voice held nothing but reassurance, belying the look on her face. “If you don’t w-want to.”



“I know.” She heard a pitiful quaver in her voice. She closed her eyes and felt Tara lean toward her, their foreheads touching. “I know, but see I do, I just ….” She inhaled and tried again. “Let’s do it your way. We can play with chocolate another day.” She tipped her head back and opened her eyes, giving Tara her best brave smile.



“Y-You’re s-sure? You are okay?” Tara wasn’t fooled by the smile.



“I’m fine – just overly emotional today. Mood swings are us.” She frowned suddenly. “Actually, that could be it.”



“What?” Tara asked.



“Um, my girl-thing.” She could feel her cheeks redden. “My period – I might be getting it. I’ve been irregular since going off the Pill, but before that, well, I’ve always had wicked PMS. I get cranky.”



“Oh.” Tara nodded a little bit, and then a bit more energetically. “Buffy’s on the Pill, isn’t she?”



“Uh, yeah,” she replied quizzically. “Why?”



“You and Buffy were probably cycling together, but you’ve been spending a lot of time w-with me lately, and um, well, I th-think, between us, we’re pulling your natural cycle off,” Tara explained.



“So mood swings ARE us.” Willow nodded. “Do you get cranky? ‘Cause I’m thinking if we’re both, y’know, at the same time, then it could be bad.”



Tara shook her head slightly and smiled. “No. I just get quiet.”



Willow felt her eyebrows lift in amazement at that statement and couldn’t stop them.



But her lover only smiled a little more and said wryly, “Well, okay, I get quieter.” Tara tilted her head to one side, and stated deadpan, “I understand that chocolate is good for mood swings.”



“I’ve heard that too,” she acknowledged.



They slowly smiled together.



“So do you want to …?” Tara asked, her lips quirking to one side.



“I’d love to have you feed me chocolate.”



******

Edited by: Triscuit7 at: 9/7/02 7:43:37 pm
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Re: Edge of Silence - Chapter 5c: In the Silence of Your De

Postby AutumnT » Sat Sep 07, 2002 11:33 pm

Ah, I needed an update on this story today. And as angsty as it was it remains true. This struggle within Willow that you are telling is such an honest one. Damn I really wish we'd seen more of it on the show. Coming out is a big step. Thanks for doing it justice.



Autumn

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Re: Edge of Silence - Chapter 5c: In the Silence of Your De

Postby MadeinNZ » Sun Sep 08, 2002 12:19 am

Wonderful chapter. I love that Willow is struggling with things a bit. And this part was so true for me:



Quote:
Tara laughed, amazed again at her lover, who had never had any hesitations about the physical aspects of loving a woman. Willow’s hesitations were about … everything else.


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Buffy: I'd like to find Willow and Xander
Joyce: Will you be slaying?
Buffy: Only if they give me lip

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Re: Edge of Silence - Chapter 5c: In the Silence of Your De

Postby singgirl » Sun Sep 08, 2002 12:26 am

Awww! That was sweet, as usual, I think I'm getting a cavity. Poor Tara having to be patient for Willow, poor Will, being all confused.

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Re: Edge of Silence - Chapter 5c: In the Silence of Your De

Postby spazz07 » Sun Sep 08, 2002 2:40 am

Loved it Mel, you write Willow's conflictions so well, you portray this stage of their relationship perfectly. Though i'm glad Willow isn't having any doubts about their pyshical relationship :grin



I think the timing was perfect for Tara to utter those 3 little words and its great to see Willow admit to herself that she does love Tara, but also that she's falling in love with her as well :)



Cheers

Nath

Isn't it funny how you feel your most tired five minutes before you have to get up.

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Re: Edge of Silence - Chapter 5c: In the Silence of Your De

Postby BoredNow99 » Sun Sep 08, 2002 4:29 am

Exactly what I needed to help soothe my raging hangover. Tara's declaration of love was wonderful - I loved how she just knew that time was right, despite all her planning of how it would happen.



And Willow, bless her, struggling to deal with everything going on in her busy head.



I loved this part especially...



Quote:
She looked up in Tara’s face and hedged. “I can’t skip.” Sniffling a little still, she wiped at her nose.



“That’s okay, sweetie. I can.”




So sweet, thanks :)



Willow...It's Glenda in a bubble power, not Margaret Hamilton on a bicycle power

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Re: Edge of Silence - Chapter 5c: In the Silence of Your De

Postby tommo » Sun Sep 08, 2002 4:34 am

You're writing this so wonderfully; dealing with Willow's anxiety about her gayness. I love how Tara's being ever so patient and caring about it too. And god, she must be so scared that Willow's not going to stay with her. I love the tension between them and yet the innate passion and togetherness too. Lovely update. Thanks. :)


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Re: Edge of Silence - Chapter 5c: In the Silence of Your De

Postby Tulipp » Sun Sep 08, 2002 7:35 am

One of the things I like most here is the window into Willow's relationship with Buffy...handholding, cuddling on sleepovers, an intensity of feeling that just naturally spills out into the physical. That's wonderful, and really true. It reminds me of being in college (I went to a women's college) where women held each other's hands all the time. Girlfriends or friends. And Willow's realization that maybe what seemed so natural to her before will now become more self-conscious, more deliberate because of her awareness of people's perceptions....that is so insightful. I love this.

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Feedback- Chapter 5b: In the Silence of Your Deep

Postby Triscuit7 » Sun Sep 08, 2002 8:23 am

Hi Kittens – I wanted to get these in before I posted 5c, but in the end it came down to either writing these or writing the end of 5c so I opted for the fic and think you're all probably okay with the delayed thanks. And my, that was a lot of babble! Good portent for today’s writing, I guess.



Bookworm title – I think we should all share it. ‘Cause it doesn’t have to be just books. All I have to do is look at the names on the bottom of the screen and, hey, Kittens not only watch W/T, they read fanfic - lots of fanfic – and can’t get enough of it.



Cats, Computers, Books – Darcy and I have three cats: Macbeth (something wicked this way comes), Magdalen (‘cause she’s a slut), and The Morrigan (aka little black thing). They’re great and life would be bleak without them. And doubtless, you’ve noted the “m” in the names – that’s my fault. My first kitty was Medea (and yeah, she was all that portends: sweet and nasty) and her best friend was Mouse – so there was already a theme. Computers? Ours has a “hood” ornament: Morrigan. She’s always cold (sleeps on the dryer in 90+ degree weather) and loves the top of the monitor (which has a shelf over it for protection). I have plants that somehow thrive from my benign neglect; they hate Darcy.



Shyness/Speechlessness – Yeah, that’s me too. I even have the label of “communication apprehensive” courtesy of a test in a communications course at WVU. Which is kind of interesting given that I have taught at the college level (TA), given speeches/talks, and I work in retail. The retail bit is actually the least stressful for me; it’s one on one and quick and I’m usually just answering a question. When I’m nervous, my voice goes up an octave. I descend to gibbering idiot when I’m talking with someone I admire – I met C. J. Cherryh at a SF/F con. She signed some books for me. I may have been articulate enough to say “hi”, but the rest was all consonants and stutters.



History/Alternate History – What can I say, except I love them both. Herodotus I read for fun in high school after inhaling lots of mythology, the Iliad, and the Odyssey. My family has always been crazy about genealogy and native West Virginians are crazy about the local stuff (four years of it in school), so I apparently have a love of history in my blood. I like AH too. It’s been a while since I read it, but I remember how wonderfully depressing “The Doomsday Book” is. I especially like Turtledove (Guns of the South) and Stirling (well, all of his really, but the Nantucket/Bronze Age trilogy and Peshawar Lancers are more upbeat). About history, I’m tempted to agree with you about nothing interesting happening after 476CE, although the end of the 19th and all of the 20th centuries are also of interest to me – but I guess that’s really Current Events. Re: world outside of the borders of the Roman Empire – um, I love Scotland and Wales (well, all of Britain and Ireland actually – I credit/blame The Avengers and Emma Peel and Tara King for the fascination). I spent a year at university (Durham) in 1980-81, desperately homesick for my family (& WV) the entire time, and forcing myself to travel to see the sites. 20 years later I’m astonished at the nostalgia I have for that time. I didn’t get to Europe at all. But I want to visit Austria and Germany, and the Netherlands (been to Schkipol does that count?) and the various bits of Scandinavia, esp. Iceland. Oh, hell, I want to visit ALL of Europe…and Australia and New Zealand…and Alaska and Canada and well, everywhere, I guess - sigh.



Bookstore – It is fun…most of the time. “Look at all the books!” (happy, happy) is usually my approach to work. This week was just - weird. The shoplifters are usually rude and nasty and I’m usually stuck between “hey! Put that down/Give those back” and “do I really want to go face to face with a guy who is a foot taller than me?” (I’m 5’2”) So far my good sense (gulp!) has won out over my gut reactions (smackdown!) and I just get very helpful with the ones I recognize.



Darkmagicwillow – I love Middle Eastern food which has at times come in handy – for instance during my four trips to Egypt. The expedition cooks, of course, rarely cooked anything Middle Eastern thinking we’d rather have something Western-seeming. The most peculiar dinner I ate in Egypt was rice, potatoes with red sauce, and spaghetti with red sauce. The director actually spoke to the cook after that one. Oh, and I love the O’Reilly computer books; the animals on the covers make me want to buy them all, but I resist bravely – I do own the web design ones… And hey, thanks for reading and all the great conversation.



Thanatopsis – Hi there, long time no see. I’m glad you’re enjoying “Edge” particularly Tara and how Willow sees her. Thanks.



MadeinNZ – Hi. I’m a dork too, then, so there. Anyway thanks muchly for the reading and the comments.



spazz07 – Hi Nath. The only thing not curable by chocolate is too much chocolate (Fear Itself). And Willow will continue to open up; I just wish I could let Tara do the same, but I’m staying with canon. Thanks.



BFR from Paris – Hi Christine. Thanks for catching my error – oops. And can I say I envy you your 3 week long August vacation? That is just so splendid. Thanks again.



Tiredsoul – Hi Celia.
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I have perfected the disappearing in a room with less than two people in it.
So, here’s the question: if just the two of us were in the same room with one another, only us, would we see one another?

BTW I found the teaching harder than I find the retail stuff. And I like to read dictionaries…not that I’m competing or anything. Thanks for reading.



Inward Sea – Hi there. About those events, well, ‘I was right there with you’ on the endurance one until I realized that no eating could mean no tea and that would be bad, ‘cause I’m addicted to tea with its caffeine and tannic acid. And well, no tea would be…bad. And yes I do take it the proper way: with milk or cream. Re: That thing with the shopping bags, well, it’s a little of both: they sit for a while and then they get sorted and shifted and re-packed. Darcy can read on a bus, train, plane, or car; I can, but don’t. Generally I find being in public just too distracting…I’m a little like Jo that way, wanting to see everything that’s going on. Anyway, thanks for reading and the great discussion too.



TareBearRS – Hi. I wish I could make Willow’s anxieties just disappear, but I can’t, not and stay true to canon. But I can say the following without spoiling much: Willow will have a revelation in the next chapter.



Jennpurr – Hi Jen. See, I liked writing the picnic. I thought it was sensual. The “mapping” was okay, but the food was…good. Does Jo have an attraction to Tara? Maybe, but it’s subtext. As for the chocolate scene, well, I’m writing it today…



Tulipp – Hey, that was cute (Hummus = smoochies); I liked it. And that whole cool with food thing…I soooo understand. And if you’re in public it’s even worse. When we were vacationing in New England in July, we had lobster. Darcy’s eaten one before. I’ve had a tail and claws, but not the whole thing – do you realize they look up at you from the plate? (I took the head off right away) Anyway, there’s this whole lobster body thing and you tear it apart, right, and this green stuff comes out (ewww!). Well, obviously you don’t eat that, but can you eat the white meat if it has green stuff on it? Decisions, decisions. I ate it rather than ask – and well, I’m still here and didn’t get sick. Anyway books are good and like chocolate, it’s hard to have too many. Thanks again.



Kpmuse – Hi Kristine, I’m glad you liked the picnic. And with Willow (if you’ve read the next part 5c), the whole coming out thing is going to be an on and off thing, brave and then not-so-much. Thanks for reading.



AutumnT – Hey Autumn. On the show Willow’s coming out was neglected as I think I mentioned somewhere. I’m glad that you’re enjoying what I’m doing with it. And that moment in Hush: well, I watched it on FX again on Thurs. and I do think she is thinking exactly “this one, this one, this one” but on review I think perhaps that is interspersed with “omigod, omigod, omigod”. Anyway, thanks for the great comments.



Kieli – Hi Toni. Welcome fellow bookworm. Alison Weir is a good writer, her Princes in the Tower was on a bunch of summer reading lists. Hope you’re enjoying the fic, even though it’s relatively unsmutty here – not that I think you’d read anything just for the smut. No. Uh-uh. And thanks.



saphire tear – Hey. Once a bookworm, always a bookworm. And old books do smell good. I like the leather ones best, particularly after they’ve been oiled. Can you imagine how nice the bookcage in the high school must have smelled? Or the loft in the Magic Box? So no, you’re not nuts. Thanks again.



BethanyB3 – Hi Beth and happy holiday. How was the vacation with the little people? Glad you’ve been keeping up and liking this. And since you’ve done retail, you know that it can be weird. It will get better, I know. I’ll be making up schedules for the rest of the month tomorrow (Mon.) and will let you know when I have days off. That way we can maybe plan a “thing”. Thanks.





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I brought marshmallows!

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Re: Feedback- Chapter 5b: In the Silence of Your Deep

Postby TareBearRS » Sun Sep 08, 2002 8:44 am

Great update.



it's really great how well you write Willow's thoughts and feelings, she is just so confused huh.



If she could just find a way to deal with all those feelings and just love Tara, it would be so much easier for her.



I'm sure that will happen in time and that Tara will be able to help her, she is just so patient and sweet.



And chocolatey goodness, always good. :)



R.

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Re: Feedback- Chapter 5b: In the Silence of Your Deep

Postby Puff » Sun Sep 08, 2002 10:23 am

Wowthat was great, I really liked so many things about this part. Tha way that Tara told Willow she loved her and how she had thought of all these ways to tell her before but how then felt right. And then later how Tara understood everything Willow wasn't saying really oh and how she was so happy she skipped, I can really picture that moment. I liked how you had Willows' fears about being gay slip into how it will effect her relationship with Buffy and the part about her physical relationship with Tara. It was all really great and angsty as well but I think that the time would be terribly angsty for both of them so thanks for exploring that. And I'm going to stop here as I've said enough :)

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Re: Edge of Silence - Chapter 5c: In the Silence of Your De

Postby darkmagicwillow » Sun Sep 08, 2002 10:44 am

I loved Willow's thoughts at the beginning, all the conflict that she's going through about coming out. It feels very honest and real. Tara was so brave telling Willow that she loved her when she has to be scared on the inside about Willow's thoughts and mood swings. I like how Tara notices that Willow isn't shy at all in bed; I've found that to be true with more than one introverted person. Could we see Tara's silly strawberries&cream dream? Please? (-;



I'll try get back to bookworminess tomorrow...



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"Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "   "Everything changes, but nothing is truly lost."

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Re: Edge of Silence - Chapter 5c: In the Silence of Your De

Postby xita » Sun Sep 08, 2002 12:50 pm

I loved this update. Willow actively thinking about her sexuality and her love for Tara. See I always thought that the physical intimacy would be easy for Willow that it was the other trickier issues that she would have a harder time with.



Can I have a Tara, how wonderful and patient she is, knowing and feeling Willow's love yet being patient and wonderful enough to wait for her to be ready to say it. sigh.

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Re: Feedback- Chapter 5b: In the Silence of Your Deep

Postby The Inward Sea » Sun Sep 08, 2002 2:19 pm

Hey, Triscuit! You've updated your fic and managed to do it also on the discussion topics. Wow! :)



I think you shoud probably win the Quoting Books event, but the Endurance event will become a tie between some of us for health reasons... :D How about the Obstacle Reading thing?



Well, I'll try to say this properly... I read and re-read your last update because its great on W/T as usual, but even more because it got me thinking hard about issues I'm not familiar with and helped me understand what Willow was going through at this time. It opened my mind's door a few more inches, which I'm very grateful for. It's one of the best presents I can get! (You know, to me that's better than chocolate! :) ) :heart



Sea

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Re: Feedback- Chapter 5b: In the Silence of Your Deep

Postby tiredsoul » Sun Sep 08, 2002 10:19 pm

This was a great update. The angst level is rising but well worth it. Willow's conflicting internal issues are real and you're able to convey that most excellently (Is that even a word?).

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And why the hell was it called being “gay” anyway? She certainly didn’t think the emotions she was feeling were what Webster’s suggested as synonyms. On paper it looked like such a happy little word. Gay. Warm, bright, birds singing, flower petals in the air, dancing choruses.


Now that's putting the dictionary to good use. :p Too funny.



MadeinNZ wrote:

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I feel you guys are way out of my league.


I said I read the books. I never said I understood them. :laugh



I'm going to have to withdraw from the bookworm competition. You guys have blown me away. In some ways it should make me feel better. I hear grad school calling my name. I still want to compete for the patetic and boring title though. I still think I got a shot.



As far as disappearing with less than two people in the room: nope, you wouldn't see me. Casper was once my nickname. I hope it was because of being shy but now that I'm thinking about it, it may have been my translucent skin (Irish). :hmm If it was, then that was a rude nickname. :) Huh. Go figure.



--celia

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"That was just rude. Now I forget what I was saying."

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Re: Feedback- Chapter 5b: In the Silence of Your Deep

Postby mollyig » Mon Sep 09, 2002 2:47 am

That little mind ramble that Willow did was interesting - showing all her fears and anxieties.



Tara still resolute that she will wait is lovely, but it must be so hard on her, the poor love.

Adding up the total of a love that's true, multiply life by the power of two
Indigo Girls

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Re: Feedback- Chapter 5b: In the Silence of Your Deep

Postby darkmagicwillow » Mon Sep 09, 2002 12:12 pm

Triscuit, I like your cats' names. Ooh, and you got to meet C.J. Cherryh, one of my favorite authors. Turtledove and Stirling are two of my favorites as well though you're right that his Draka books are more than a bit depressing. Drakon is quite fun in parts. Island in the Sea of Time is still my favorite though.



Yes, the 19th and 20th centuries are mostly current events from my viewpoint too. Go to the Netherlands in the Spring to see the tulips. I know it's a stereotype but the 7 million tulips at the Keukenhof were amazing beyond belief. They come in every size, color, and shape, and the arrangements are so beautiful. After an hour I had to sit down and let the color receptors in my eyes rest.



I'm glad the bookstore is good most of the time though I'm still boggled by the idea of regular shoplifters.



Egypt: how did you get to go to Egypt four times? I haven't even been once though it's definitely on my list of must-see countries. I decided that the Middle East wasn't a good place this year though so I'm going back to the safety of Europe instead.



Gay: I liked Willow's reaction to the word too. Lesbian is less confusing though I guess there are a few thousand Greek men who might get some odd looks when they call themselves that outside of Greece.



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"Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "   "Everything changes, but nothing is truly lost."

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Re: Alternate History

Postby Darcy » Mon Sep 09, 2002 8:53 pm

We were at a con panel where Steve Stirling was talking about the fan letters on the Draka series that he occasionally gets from scary Aryan Nations types (some of whom apparently do read something besides Mein Kampf, The Turner Diaries, and the Left Behind series). He said he keeps trying to explain to them, "It's a DYSTOPIA, you twit!"



There are a couple of books titled "What If" and "What If 2" (ed. Cowan) which are collections of essays by historians on various alternate history scenarios that the history fans might enjoy. And "April 1865" (Winik) is an examination of how easily decisions made in the last month of the US Civil War might have gone differently and what the consequences of those decisions might have been.



A few years back we were at a Xena panel at a con when the topic under discussion was whether the TV shows would encourage people to go back to the source material (i.e. get them to read!). Most of the people in the room felt they would. Josepha Sherman finally asked two questions: "How many people in this room have read Hamilton's Mythology?" Almost every hand in the room went up. "How many of you read it before your age was in double digits?" Almost every hand in the room went up again. "You see?" she exclaimed in exasperation, "YOU PEOPLE ARE NOT NORMAL!"



I suspect most of us in this discussion/competition fit that description.


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Re: Alternate History

Postby darkmagicwillow » Mon Sep 09, 2002 10:15 pm

The Stirling fan letters are scary. Along the lines of scary fans, I've read that Mercedes Lackey gets letters from people who think her Diana Tregarde novels are real and that she's one of the Guardians.



I've seen the "What If" books. So they're worth reading? I read April 1865 recently. That was great and I'm usually completely uninterested in current events books like that.



Yeah, we probably do fail the normality test. I loved how Xena brought up all these myths and historical events from over a millenia of history and put them into the story, sometimes amusingly wrong but if you have great source material, why not use it?



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"Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "   "Everything changes, but nothing is truly lost."

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Re: Alternate History

Postby The Inward Sea » Mon Sep 09, 2002 10:22 pm

You see, Darcy, I always wanted to write this story in which a critical decision is lightly taken, in between a lot of other less important ones. I will probably never do it, but it keeps coming back to my mind. I think it might be a fear related to my profession, but never thought about it much.



Thinking about which decision could made things different resembles the *time travel problem*: how much could a single movement -or you just being there- change and in what way? And doesn't also tinkers with our own going back to past actions? (I have relived dozens of times an exam, even when I passed it!).



And yes, I fit the description, but it isn't news for me :D



darkmagicwillow wrote:
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Yes, the 19th and 20th centuries are mostly current events from my viewpoint too.




Oh, I must be misguided about my work then! :D Perhaps I am a journalist and didn't notice...





Absolutely not normal Sea

Edited by: The Inward Sea at: 9/9/02 9:28:58 pm
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Feedback- Chapter 5c: In the Silence of Your Deep

Postby Triscuit7 » Tue Sep 10, 2002 8:54 am

Hey Kittens. I want to thank all of you for reading this and bearing with the angsty bits to get to the sex, or bearing with the sexy bits to get to the angst. I know that with Kittens it can go either way (and both actually) So anyway, thanks!



AutumnT – You wrote
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Ah, I needed an update on this story today.
Well, unlike certain unmentionable folk I like to give people both what they want and what they need. I am glad that you feel that I’m dealing with Willow’s issues honestly. Thanks.



MadeinNZ – Hi there. Still with me – good. I’m glad you enjoyed the last part. The physical bit was easy for me, and just like Willow, the other bits made (and honestly, still make) me hesitate. There’s just so much to weigh all the time. While I consider myself “out”, there are folk who don’t know and I don’t tell. And it’s hard…



singgirl – Hey. So you thought it was sweet? (Note to self: Include dental warning when appropriate). Thanks.



spazz07 – Hi Nath. So glad you’re enjoying the angsty bits. And Willow having doubts – well, she’s not ever gonna have them over the sex, so don’t worry. Initially I wondered a bit about the placement of Tara’s 3 words, but I figured that particular time would be when her empathy would kick in. Willow needed to hear them, so she said them. Thanks for reading.



BoredNow99 – Hi. I’m glad this was able to help your hangover. And re: Tara’s declaration of love, well, I guess I was right with the timing after all. BTW I’m a bit silly, I like to “loop” things in each part. This one began with so Tara is skipping, then her heart skips, and finally Willow admits to not being able to skip. Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks.



tommo – Hi Ruth! So angsty and everything, it’s still good – yay! Tara is patience personified and what you said that
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she must be so scared that Willow’s not going to stay with her
– well, I’ve always thought that she was immensely brave when Oz returned in NMR and Willow visits her room in tears. God yes, even early on she has to be terrified, doesn’t she? Thanks for sticking with this.



Tulipp – Hey. Well, the Willow-Buffy relationship was under strain all thru S4. In the actual show we saw more of the strain from Buffy’s pov, except for the ep with the doll’s eye crystal – that one was Willow’s pov. And of course, for much of S4 the bulk of the fans really were clueless re: what was going on between Tara and Willow – how they were, still escapes me but then Xena and Gabrielle were crystal clear in my eyes too… So anyway, it seemed to me that Willow in spite of initially having no problem with hand-holding with another girl (Buffy and even Tara in my other fic “River in Me”) is going to re-analyze everything once she starts admitting her gayness to herself. I know that there are whole baskets of things that I do/don’t do because I’m a lesbian. For instance the word girlfriend – I never use it with ref. to any of my female friends. And I startle whenever my straight friend in Tom’s River uses it of me or one of her other female friends - all because in my mind it carries a different weight than in hers. Anyway, thanks for reading and the great comment about your experience at a women’s college.



TareBearRS – Hi. Willow can’t admit her feelings to Tara at this point, but don’t worry, she does have them. She just has to accept them herself first and that is slowly happening. Thanks.



Puff – Hey there. I was just re-reading your sig, where Amber says
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You know, it’s a real deal relationship and that’s why people can relate to it.
Well, that is so true and I’m trying to keep that in mind as I write. If something rings true in what I’ve written, then I guess I’ve succeeded in sticking to Amber’s comment. And skipping – I missed the little Tara skip when I first watched Yoko Factor (I’ve watched it repeatedly since,), but in Seeing Red, it is sooo apparent that an esp. happy-Tara skips, well, I had to include it after the picnic and then, well, “skipping” just kept cropping up. Glad you liked it. Thanks.



darkmagicwillow – Hi. Glad that you liked the angsty bits too. Willow is very obviously on an emotional roller coaster (mood swings are us) and the tears are going to come at inappropriate moments – it happens. Been there, done that, you might say. And Tara’s dream about silly strawberries and cream – well, I have something planned down the road a bit so I’ll just say, “hmmmm” for now. (yes, I am evil). Re: Egypt. Well, I’m still technically a grad student in Egyptology at UPenn. When I was actively pursuing my Ph.D, I went to Egypt on expeditions 3 times with UPenn and once with MFABoston. One, the first was archaeological, and I found out that I really wasn’t cut out to be one. Excavating is the most mind-numbing job in the world… The mapping (crawling around with a tape measure and drawing things on graph paper) afterwards was more exciting. The other three times were epigraphical – we copied/traced inscriptions and reliefs for six hours each day – that was fun. So where was I in Egypt? 1988 Abydos, 1989 Giza, 1990 Bersheh (best site in the world!), 1992 Saqqara. BTW Steve Stirling in spite of the glowering picture in his books is a really nice guy. The only other board I visit is a Stirling discussion board and he is frequently there. Right now the big issues under discussion are the merits of caseless ammunition and school reform. Thanks again for reading.



xita – Hi there. If you get a Tara, will you share? I’m sure all the Kittens will want some… Over the next chapter or so, I’m going to be in both their heads a bit, examining what they’re each dealing with and hopefully that will work. Anyway thanks for reading this among all the other things you do. You are fantastico, indeed.



The Inward Sea – Hi. Well, the chocolate’s coming (did I write that…?), but I’m very glad I’ve given you insights. Insights are much more important than images. Hopefully, there will be more throughout the fic. Re: time travel - there are two arguments: that in changing the past you could make it so you never existed (Star Trek does this) or that in changing the past you split the universe (two worlds exists from that point on, the original and the alternate). I’m more inclined to buy into the 2nd (world with shrimp, world without shrimp) mostly because it makes writing AU a lot easier. And the 19th/20th century comment was originally from me. My particular time period in Egyptology is the 1st Intermediate Period (ca. 2200 BCE), so from my perspective the 1800s and 1900s are current events. Thanks.



tiredsoul – Hi Celia. Willow’s conflicts are very real to me, as are Tara’s. That’s why they are such a great couple and why folks relate to them so much. And “gay”, well it does look like a happy little word doesn’t it? I like words, some of the books here are dictionaries/etymologies of various sorts – and yes, I do read them. One of my favorite Willow moments is when she discusses the word “drunk”. She’s my kind of girl… I have a preference for short, punchy words. Personally I like dyke more than I like lesbian, girl more than woman, and well so on. Anyway thanks again.



mollyig – Hey. “Mind ramble”- I like that description. And yes, Willow has more fears than simply frog-fear. Tara is lovely, isn’t she? Thanks.







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I brought marshmallows!

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Re: Feedback- Chapter 5c: In the Silence of Your Deep

Postby Jennpurr » Tue Sep 10, 2002 10:33 am

Hey Mel,



So sorry it has taken me so long to reply. I DID read the update and loved it. :)



I'm so happy to see that Willow is becoming more comfortable with holding Tara's hand in public, even if it does make her nervous. I can understand where she's coming from, cause I think it would probably make me nervous as well, but I would still do it.



Hee... I loved all the naughy talk about the chocolate. What a vixen Willow is. :drool I knew in the end, that no matter what they did, she would still want to eat that chocolate. I know I wouldn't be able to resist.



I'm very curious to see what happens next and can't wait. More, soon?? :pray



Sorry if I've missed anything. I was trying to remember everything that caught my attention.



**HUGS** Take care,

Jen

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Re: Feedback- Chapter 5c: In the Silence of Your Deep

Postby darkmagicwillow » Tue Sep 10, 2002 10:44 am

Egyptology! That sounds fun. Your feelings about digs are about what I expected. It would be fun to do ... once, but full of boredom in the long run.



I guess I'll believe you about Steve Stirling though you're right that he doesn't look it and I wouldn't guess that he's nice from his books. Okay, there is some nice stuff in his newer books.



About time travel, physics basically says if there's time travel causality goes out the window. You can go back and stop yourself from being born. It's a paradox from our causal perspective, but time travel says that perspective is bunk.



The Everett many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics that you mention says that an additional universe is created every time a quantum choice is made so at least from the multli-universe perspective there no paradox. One problem is that there are a lot of universes out there since every time a subatomic particle interacts with another one, a new universe is created. That probably won't stop you from time travelling though since there will be many trillions of similar versions of you going back to prevent you from being born though there is always the danger that you'll end up in a world without shrimp instead of a world like your own.



If the paradoxes still bother you, consider the difficulties in constructing a time machine. It's not as easy as most fiction makes it out to be. General relativity requires a toroidal black hole rotating near the speed of light for time travel and if you want to actually send anything through without it being shredding by tidal forces, the hole needs a mass several times that of the Sun. Given that, if you are going to write time travel just hand wave it like H.G. Wells; don't bother with the silly incorrect technobabble like Star Trek. Stick to Willowbabble. It's more fun anyway.



Sorry if the above was too scary for some kittens. The physics degree gets out of hand at times. By the way, has everyone on Pens gone to grad school or has plans to in the future? It's just that you're the second person I've heard from this week about their graduate experiences.



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Edited by: darkmagicwillow at: 9/10/02 10:08:06 am
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