As Time Goes By

[JustSkipIt]

Mary,
I can see why you were so interested in my response on the last chapter. So I'll chime in on this one. First, of course we don't want anyone else to die, especially Xander and Dawn. Ok, especially Xander although the jury's generally out on Dawn. Here she isn't too irritating. But given that the BB seems unstoppable, I don't see that big a downside to Kyra becoming a superhero and having Faith to protect and guide her. It also seems that by the end of this converstion, Buffy has appointed herself the "loveable sidekick" so that gives Kyra 2 Slayers and 2 witches to train, guide, etc. Not the worst deal you could get. I'm glad they took the time to work it out.

Personally: how would I feel? Rachel and I are pretty strongly against guns. But you know what? Policemen carry guns and use them and I'd fully support Asher if he wanted to grow up and be a policeman or a fireman because they help people. I'd be pretty upset if he wanted to be in the military (no offense) because I don't see that they generally do much good for the world and doing something dangerous and pointless like being a stuntman or a boxer is just stupid. But doing something potentially dangerous but helpful to the community? Sure. Even better, helpful and not dangerous. But you know what about not dangerous? You can have the most safe job in the world and be hit by a bus. So you can't guarentee your own safety nor anyone else's. Gee, I'm rambling but I won't go back now.

Ok, now on to syntax. I've been very interested in reading your updates in the syntax. Follow me here. On this board, we've all kind of agreed that we'll put thoughts in italics and we put that in our notes. If you think about it, that's not the way it works in most fiction. Some yes, but not the average novel. In the average novel, the writer uses dialog tags or in this case thought tags to indicate thought. But we've all agreed to use italics. I try to tag the thoughts of my characters just to identify who is thinking but that doesn't always happen. Now your fic: you've used this syntax to your advantage in putting the thoughts of the BB into the character's heads and into the update. And for those updates in which people were under attack, it was magic and brilliant writing. Now we're left with an update in which there are some unidentified thoughts floating around. I'm assuming as I read that they belong to Willow but what iif they belong to the BB? What if they are now a function of her immunity to the BB? In otherwords, her good thoughts are part pure Willow but part BB immunity good thoughts? I'm not saying that it is so but it's a nice puzzle that the syntax allows the question.

I bet that made no sense.

ETA: Thanks a fricking lot for giving Watson the idea of a TF. That's all we need.

[watty]

Thanks a fricking lot for giving Watson the idea of a TF. That's all we need.

Teehee. Next group project, we'll come up with a list of Tara-related activities, assign each a TF and the fic must be about the effect of the TF on Willow. The number of words must be a factor of the TF.

[DarkWiccan]

Doing something dangerous and pointless like being a stuntman ...is just stupid.

Um...hi... just had to chime in here. Among the many, many skills I have trained for in my theatrical career, professional stuntman is one of them. Now, I have never had to deal with explosives, besides blood squibs and blank-firing guns... nor have I ever leapt off of a 3-story building into an airbag... a one-story building into boxes, yes.

Is this a dangerous job? Yes. But so is getting behind the wheel of a car to go to a desk job. In fact, driving a car in rush hour traffic is far more dangerous than being a stuntman. I don't know anyone who has a certified safety team checking and re-checking their car every morning, and then following this person to work ensuring their safety every step of the way.

I can't even begin to describe all of the safety measures that go into place before, during and after a stunt.

As for being pointless... that hurts. Stuntwork is not pointless. Without stuntmen, there would be no exciting swordplay, or fistfights on stage. There would be no uncut battle sequences on film. Everything would be jump-cutted and look insanely fake. Stuntwork has been in entertainment since the Greeks, and therefore, I think it's pretty safe to say that it's a vital component.

Finally, the men and women who do stuntwork are not stupid. We are highly trained craftsmen. It is an artform, and the people involved in it are incredibly passionate about their work.

Sorry to get all soapbox-y, but it seems to me that the people who bring joy and thrills to the community are just as important as those protecting and serving it.

Cheers
DW

PS. Mary -- Loved the chapter! Can't wait to see what happens next. Personally, I'm one of those "the loss of the few serves the good of the many" folks. Besides which, it seems pretty futile for the Scoobies to try and stop this prophecy... they can't monitor EVERYONE in SunnyD to see who is going to get depressed next. Cheers, DW

[justin]

DarkWiccan wrote

Now, I have never had to deal with explosives, besides blood squibs and blank-firing guns... nor have I ever leapt off of a 3-story building into an airbag... a one-story building into boxes, yes.

Ah but have you ever jumped an open drawbridge or tarzaned from a vine?

Or to put it another way, were you ever the unknown stuntman who made Eastwood look so fine?

[Darth Pacula]

G'day, Mary.

Okay, I know, I already posted feedback, but I just can't stay away! You're addictive! Cue the inevitable Godfather pun ... Just when I thought I was out ....

Err ... now I did actually have something to say, didn't I? Ah yes, you asked what my scars are from? Right'o then, lets see. There's the scar on my right foot from when I sliced it open on a piece of sheet metal when I was a kid. There's the skin graft scar on my left thigh, right next to the one from when I impaled myself on a rock outcropping while scaling a small cliff face at the beach. There's the chunk of flesh they took out of my left forearm to replace the half of my tongue the doc's removed, and the scar from where they removed the vein to supply blood to the transplanted tissue: personally I think those two look like a stingray running the length of my forearm. Then there's the tracheotomy scar in the hollow of my throat, and the one on the back of my head from when I split my skull open falling off a counter at the pool. There's the one going from behind my right ear, down my neck to past the collarbone, and the other one intersecting that which goes most of the way across my throat.
I don't usually count the three little scars from my laparoscopic appendectomy, cause they're hardly visible.

Well, you did ask!

Right, on a less personal, and less gross, point I've had some more thoughts on the nature of prophecy and so on. Willow asked the Anadeis why they let her and Tara almost get offed by the Big Bad, and they said they sent Faith to stop that from happening, right? Well, I have one word for them. Bullshit.

Sure, they might have arranged things so that Faith was there, but to claim that they foresaw Willow's attempted suicide and sent Faith to prevent it? I don't buy that for a second. All it would have taken was for Faith to be a few seconds slower, to have tripped or stumbled, and Willow would have taken that long drop. And they claimed to have planned that? What a crock of shit.

That being said, I love this whole prophecy business. It's a bit like time travel when you think about it, full of paradox's and suchlike that can really bend your brain once you start thinking about it.

Hell, they once addressed it on Angel. Wesley finds a prophecy saying that Angel is going to kill his son Connor, and steals him, only to get his throat cut and for Connor to end up growing into a teenager in the hell dimension Quor-toth. It turns out that the prophecy Wes found had been faked by the demon Sahjhan, who had read a prophecy that Angel's son would kill him, which indeed, Connor did in fact end up doing. But my point is, if Sahjhan hadn't screwed with Connor's life in the first place, would Connor have had any reason to kill him in the first place. His own knowledge of his prophesied death, and his efforts to thwart it, directly lead to it coming true! I love convoluted stuff like that, and I have to wonder how that sort of thing is affecting the scoobies current situation.

You also asked how you put the knackers on something? Well, I can't claim my response is 'learned', but yes it usually is painful. You don't require the target's permission, hell, they'd be a fool to give it. The actual nature the 'knackering' takes depends on the nature of the target. If it's a person, you could kneecap them, either with the judicious application of a crowbar, or the IRA method which involves firearms or power tools. And yes, I am a weird-ass freak.

'til next time.
Paul.

[badkitty]

Just wanted to pop in real quick-like and let you know how much I love this story. I don't get to spend very much time on the K Board these days, but I ALWAYS look for an update to As Time Goes By when I'm here. Your dialog is great, the characters are spot on, and your portrayal of Faith is just wonderful. Can't wait to read more!!

bk

[jixer]

Hello Kittens-

I like that its Xander who asks the moral question about saving the innocents, Giles answers in a way that reflects his own struggles with a group that 'knows what's best', Willow sees the long term question, and Tara confirms the Giles' answer in a way that is very true to her.

Now having been burned by nearly every political group, party, and flavor I have to ask just what the Anadeis consider good. Will these women make a better world with liberty over license and ideas debated and considered before actions are taken? Or will the 'good' coming out of death be a new Utopia with its perfection stemming from everyone being fitted into a slot chosen by those brighter and more capable to govern 'you people'. Will there be no crime because if you do anything the state considers a crime or a crime precursor the monitors placed around you will signal your sickness and your personality will be adjusted so you don't want to listen to that music or read those books with their dangerous ideas? It's all for the best, dear little child. This Athenian (they are ancient) idea of 'democracy' is just too much for the commons...

As for a child being in danger in the future, why do I have no trouble imagining Lt. Kyra Rosenberg-Maclay 'holding station' over a foundering boat in her Coast Guard Dolphin, the masts pitching back and forth close to the helicopter in the gathering wind, while her mothers watch the news feed with white knuckles?

I have to add that I loved the way Faith described getting her GED. Evidently another group has been getting some restoration work done.


Thanks for the wonderful words,


Jixer

[spells42]

Mary
I'm a bit short of time for the KB at the moment. My brother and sister are down from Canberra visiting for about a week ... which is lovely, don't get me wrong ... but it does mean I'm having to cram in quick visits instead of getting a decent block of time to read and ponder the fics and the feedback.

The gang is facing quite a dilemma here .. it seems as tho' whatever they do some innocent is gonna get fried. That's if they accept that the prophecy is inevitable, and/or the anadeis information was straightforward (rare for ptb types), complete (ditto), and the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth (do I need to say it?). The Scoobies may be battle hardened and weary, but it appears they still have that innocence and humanity that endears them to us. They can't knowingly let the BB take his last two victims, even if Kyra's future wasn't involved, and they can't knowingly let the women in the prophecy go without protection.

The discussion in the fb that this dilemma has engendered is interesting (unfortunately I've had to skim most of it) .... and, btw a huge tribute to your writing ... but it doesn't really matter what moral, ethical or philosophical stance the Scoobies take, if there's a direct threat to Kyra their instinct will be to fight, unthinkingly and ferociously, to protect her, as any parent would do.

Gotta go now. Taking the rels to do some of the local sights..... and lunch at my favourite vegetarian place. Not that we're vegetarians, just that Pilgrim's does such yummy food. mmmmmm. (not implying there's anything wrong with being a vegetarian either).

BTW, love the TF. Willow's just got to quantify everything, doesn't she.
Anne
ps Thanks for your kind words re Pippin

[cygnet 6]

Although I still think that it makes the most sense for Willow and Tara to do everything they can to stop this BB (and keep their daughter safe), I’m glad that they are coming to terms with the idea that Kyra may become the Guardian. They need to be prepared since there seems to be a real possibility that the Scoobies will fail to beat this bad guy. In fact, considering that they don’t know how to find the BB and considering how fast it can work, I would say that, at this point, there is no way that they can stop it. (Which is fine with me. One reason I thought Angel was a better t.v. show than BtVS was that the MoG didn’t always win or, if they did win, the victory wasn’t always a clear one.)

Besides, if Kyra gets her superpowers, undergoes years of training and hardship, and eventually fights in an epic battle of good versus evil, then there will have to be sequels . . . and we’ll be guaranteed more Antigone Unbound stories. Uh, right?

[justin]

I've been thinking about this story a lot lately, in particular the dilemna of choosing between the concrete good of saving the final two victims and the more abstract good of Kyra potentially being able protect these women who will be instrumental in creating a better world for everyone.

Personally I'm strongly in favour of the former, for three reasons

1) It isn't just about those last two people. These people will have families and friends who will be affected. More than that we know these people are do gooders but we don't know what good they are destined to do. Maybe one of them runs an orphanage that will be closed if they die. Or to be even more extreme maybe one of them is destined to come up with a cure for AIDS or cancer. Then it's not just a matter of letting two people die, but several million.

2) Part of the dilemna is we don't know the two potential victims. I wonder if there would be any uncertainty about what the scoobies should do if it was Willow & Tara who had to die to fulfill the prophecy

3) The Scoobies weren't certain about how to tell Kyra about how destiny. I think it'd be a lot harder if they have to tell her that ten people had to die in order for her to gain her powers and that it's possible they could have saved two of them, but they didn't even try.

Personally I can't help thinking that if they don't try to save the last two people then they might as well give up the hero business and take up flower arranging.

[histchic]

Antigone, I love this fic! Specially the gang's philosophical discussions, because all of their psyches and backgrounds are quite varied. I really liked that when it comes to Kyra, they will let her choose her own life, instead of deciding her future(what they like) as opposed to the Anadeis' decision(which they don't). Simply because she does decide to go with this prophecy(if in fact she does) doesn't inherently mean she's a doormat for higher beings.

I love it when fic writers give Buffy and Dawn brains....it got underplayed in canon.


Well, I'm off for now. Toodles and take care!

[Katez0r]

I'm not sure how many times I can say "I love this fic" before my adoration of it morphs into crazy stalker-like adoration of you, because I'm already way deep into groupie shrine building territory here, but I think I'm safe for at least another dozen. So without further ado:

I love this fic.

I love everything about it. I love how you know these characters, and how you treat them the way they deserve to be treated. Um, I mean, not like they deserve to have a Big Bad trying to get them to kill themselves, or to have their daughter of mythical origins be nominated Protector of Future Generations of Superwomen, but I think you know what I mean. They deserve to love, and be loved, and make love. (Did I mention that was really hot? I think I may have burst into flame at one point.) Here, they get to do what we KNOW they were doing, or at least what they SHOULD have been doing (on-screen, the whole episode, but that's just my opinion) and it's beautiful. Like, ridiculously so. I get teary sometimes, just the way you word things. If I had no idea who Willow and Tara were, and I stumbled upon this fic without any frame of reference, I think I would immediately identify and fall in love with them. And that's all you, baby.

[tal]

Mary,

Late again, and though your update was as wonderful as ever – it was so totally worth it. The lateness that is, though the update too, of course. Just got back from a vacation of nothing but sun and bikinis. Happy suntanned Tal here.

But on to the tale… great update. Especially loved Tara's letting go of the Jewish mother syndrome, also known as – 'I just want my child to be happy, and since I know everything, I also know what would make him/her so.' (it's a working title).

And Faith's speech was touching, though not entirely correct. I'm pretty sure she would have gotten her rack regardless of her being the slayer, so there. Having said that, it was still kinda sad – knowing that Faith's has so little… well, faith, in her own abilities as a person.

And last but not least – the road not taken issue. No one really knows for sure what might have happened if things would have been different. Could have been better, could have been worse. The fact they're reluctant to give up the somewhat darker parts of their life, just means they're happy where they are now – not necessarily that it's a better one – but then, that's what this life is all about ain't it?

And with this rather philosophical reflection, I'll be off to check my tan line again – cuz I'm just that profound.

Tal.

[AntigoneUnbound]

Hello, all. Hope everyone had a good weekend!

Justin: Yeah, it may be up for debate, the extent to which Faith is protected. Did the Anadeis make sure she didn't trip on her way up the stairs? What is the limit to their intervention? Who did let the dogs out? And Giles, as is often his wont, says the difficult stuff. You raise a lot of good questions re: the connection b/w Kyra and the BB, as well as the necessity of the ten souls. I hope you like where all this goes. Thanks for following, and taking the time to leave such thoughtful feedback.

Modjadji!!! God, it's so good to see you! Sounds like the last year has been a helluva busy one for you. How's it all settling down?

I loved all the questions you raised, b/c for me that's the essence of this story: who defines good? What's the balance b/w parental duty to protect and recognition of each child's unique destiny and autonomy? How do you fight despair that comes unbidden, unseen? Love how your mind works, Mo, which is just one of the reasons I'm so glad to see your name again!

I've grown pretty fond of Kyra myself. I'm not usually a big kid person, but she's growing on me. An update a week for 18 years? Let me check my calendar...Yep, I'm clear! And you know, I almost have to change Buffy if I'm gonna write her. I love her as a secondary character, much more than I enjoyed her as the main one. I love fics where she's willing to give back-up to Willow and Tara.

Faith is one of my favorite people to write, in part b/c of who she is and in part b/c of what she brings to a canvas. She's so different from any of the rest of them with regard to class background (though Xander probably comes close) and outlook that she adds an incredible spice to whatever she does. (And I'm referring here to all of the fics that feature her, including those in which she fights for the wrong side.) She and Buffy...Oh, yeah. I see your drool and raise you a lewd comment.

I'm so psyched you're back, Mo. I've missed you! Thanks for the great thoughts, and good luck with all the changes.

Gem: Hey, welcome! Have you posted to the old board, or is this your first venture? In either case, glad to see you! And glad you're enjoying the story. There are some great ones here; check out the Recommendation Thread. Hope you enjoy where it goes from here, and thanks for the very kind feedback.

Hero Factor: God, I love your avatar! That scene always cracks me up...Yeah, we got us a complicated sich-u-ayshun here, HF. I dunno who the hell's writing this thing, but I have to wonder where she's gonna take all of this. Seriously, though--the BB won't bring forth a worse evil; it's the darkness that emerges from light (the good souls) and Kyra's the new light to emerge from it. Make sense? Probably not...

One of the most enjoyable parts of writing fan fic is that you can tweak the characters in little ways; in this case, I like Angel playing back-up, or support, to some greater or other cause. As with Buffy, I enjoy considering him as a supporting character more than a main one.

Thanks for following, HF, and for the good thoughts.

Patches (Part I): Ah, yes, the twists and turns. Is there a discernible link, or is it chaos? Is this a mystery story, in which the characters attempt to piece together clues; or is it a lesson in the randomness of events that toss around like socks in the cosmic dryer? Do they attempt to avert or re-write fate, or do they dismiss the notion of fate altogether? Potatoes, or Stove-Top Stuffing? These are the questions which plague these characters and, perhaps--just perhaps--all of us.

Where did I put my meds?

Twisted, indeed. God alone knows where this is all gonna end up...

Thanks for the thought you put into this and other story, Patches. Hope you're holding up well under some incredible work stress.

Debra: Wow--such fascinating thoughts from a mother. (Ya mutha...) It was so interesting to read what your reactions would be given various life choices by Asher. It was also wild, I confess, to look at the beautiful child sitting in that wash tub and think, "That child will address those very questions some day--that little creature right there." It seems as though much comes down to the purpose of his choices: what are they in service to? Is the risk for some greater good?

Interesting thoughts on syntax, though I confess I've never really thought about it before (Mary admitted rather sheepishly). Lemme know if you want the question you posed to be answered.

Oh God, Watson and the TF...Yes, I realize that I have created (or exacerbated) a monster. I was a fool, Debra...A FOOL!!

Thanks for reading and leaving such thoughtful feedback, Debra. Take care.

DarkWiccan: Well, I'll let you and Debra figure out some of the other elements, but insofar as the story is concerned: glad you like it! It is indeed difficult to imagine what exactly they can do, regardless of their desire to stop this thing. Hope you like where it goes from here!

Paul: Please excuse me for one moment while I pass out.

OK, I'm back. Good Lord, man, what exactly do you do in your spare time? Damn...Mine were all from sports. Did I mention--damn?

Now, insofar as Faith's intervention is concerned: as I asked Justin, did the Anadeis ensure that Faith didn't stumble coming up the stairs? Or did they simply know that as a Slayer, she wouldn't slip? What's their volition/direct intervention in all of this?

By the way, I appreciate the info on knacker-putting, but it came one day too late for this woman. Last week I was arrested for attempting to put knackers on Joe Paterno, Penn State head football coach. I'm out on bail, obviously, but my time in the Big House changed me...Yes, it changed me...

Always love exchanging ideas and idiosyncrasies with you, Paul! Hope all's well Down Under.

Bad Kitty: You have Lucy in your avatar! Yea! I was a total Peanuts freak as a kid. Glad you're enjoying the story, BK. Stop in when you can; leave what you can. Just nice to know people are following this. Thanks!

Jixer: Ooh--love the consideration b/w Utopia and those of us who want to improve life but retain humanity's essential ingredients, including the will to choose. I didn't like "Angel" as much as "BtVS," but I did enjoy the whole "Jasmine" thing. (Also prefer Gina Torres as that hot, ever-so-cool character [can't remember her name] on "Firefly.") Will they make us all into good little girls and boys? We're so untidy, we humans...

And I loved your image of Kyra, all grown up: kicking ass, taking names. Yeah, I could definitely see her in the future!

Thanks for following this and always making me think, Jixer!

Anne: How'd it go with the family? Hope a good time was had by all and that your sanity is rested and refreshed!

You capture it well: this has no "1 best solution" element. Everything carries some prospect or reality of bad stuff. (How's that for the technical language?) All they can do is summon up what they know and fight as best they can. They can't control everything. And yes, there's some great fb on this thread. It's been fascinating to read the various opinions and reactions.

Willow and the TF? That's our girl: find the number for the phenomenon!

Thanks for the good thoughts, Anne--take care!

Cygnet: You're right: they can do everything possible to fight this BB, but they have no guarantee of victory. I think that what's important is that they know they try and that may sound cliched, but I believe it. If they end up fearing that they didn't do everything they could, they'd never forgive themselves. And Kyra stories--well, I ain't rulin' it out! Glad the thought appeals to you. Thanks for the warm words, Cygnet. I appreciate them.

Justin: Observe the thinker! I love how people are reacting to this. The variety of those reactions is esp. heartening, since I don't want this to have an easy solution, either pragmatically or philosophically. You're right: those 2 souls will have many people, in all likelihood, who love them very much. What else would they have brought to the world? The Scoobies can't fight less for them just b/c they don't know them (though they're already inclined to fight b/c it might spare Kyra though that feature feels a little less dire to them right now).

Histchic: Hey girl! Glad you like this story, and the philosophical elements therein. (Obviously, there's a lot of emotional recon to do.) And I'm with you: I got really freakin' tired of Buffy and even more so of Dawn. If they're gonna be in a story I write, I have to tweak 'em a little. Thanks for the good words.

Kate: God, how much do I love your avatar? Every time I see it I just crack up. Thank you so much for your kind words. They bring a smile to my heart on a cold, cold day. I esp. appreciate the words about how the characters are treated, b/c like so many Kittens, I just wanna cry when I see what happened to them. I feel like I watched these beloved, endearing people turn into such caricatures of themselves, used to cheaply for ridiculous plot devices and obvious "lessons." And the smut--well, that's just fun to write. Glad they're fun to read! Thanks again, Kate--hope you enjoy where this goes.

Tal: Tans? Bikinis? I think that all of us have only one question for you: why weren't we invited? Did you--Did you take Faith?!? Dammit, you did! I kept trying to talk to her this weekend and she wasn't picking up her phone and I thought, "I bet Tal has her." Don't ask me how I knew...I just did.

Yeah, Tara had to let go of it. I think a lot of people wanted her to move on more quickly, but this is a very time-compressed story and realistically, I couldn't see her going straight to "Well, it kinda sucks, but OK. What now?" She needed at least a few hours!

Faith--yeah, she's just had a lot kicked out of her (literally and figuratively) over her life. I think she'll start believing in herself a little more now, though, esp. since she's involved in something so powerful and so obviously good (Kyra's well-being).

The road not taken...somebody should write a poem about that one day...At some point, they recognize that this is the life they have and that for all the peril, it's a meaningful life, a life filled with love and purpose. Hard to think that Door #2 will hold something better that life with people you love and a job that saves untold numbers of lives...

Welcome back, Tal. I hope that you and your tan lines are well-rested. Now tell that little tart to get back over here. I need her. Oh, and thanks for the many wonderfully philosophical lines, Tal. I always love reading your thoughts!

OK, that's all for now. I'll update on either Wednesday or Thursday, depending on work factors. Thanks again.
Mary

[justin]

Did the Anadeis make sure she didn't trip on her way up the stairs? What is the limit to their intervention?

My theory is that the Anadeis intervened to make sure that Faith was in the right place at the right time in order to save Willow, but the actual act of saving Willow was all down to Faith.

I love how people are reacting to this. The variety of those reactions is esp. heartening,

Joe Michael Staczynski (the creator of Babylon 5) once said

A good story should invoke discussion, debate and the occasional bar room brawl

There hasn't been much of the third one yet, but I think the amount of the first two that we're seeing is a testiment to how good this story is

OK, that's all for now. I'll update on either Wednesday or Thursday, depending on work factors. Thanks again.

*waits by computer*

[jixer]

Hello Kittens-

There's another question triggered by a sub-plot:

Just what is going on in Buffy's head where Faith is concerned?

Canon Buffy wouldn't be thinking (meow) but your Buffy might have guilt to envy to concern to things she has not yet found words for on her mind. So we have Faith maturing and taking a path a certain other writer couldn't fathom with a lead weight and twine, not one but TWO couples happily paired off and complimenting each other, and a Slayer who's concerns show maturity and complexity. Another reason why so many Kittens came by and look for updates hopefully.


Jixer

[AntigoneUnbound]

Hello, all. Two final replies, and then an update:

Justin: Thanks, good soul! And now I'm just dying to know: what would a bar room brawl in cyberspace look like? Intriguing...Hope you like where this goes.

Jixer: Oh, I know...thinking about Buffy and Faith is one of my favorite parts of writing this story. I'm so glad you're enjoying this, Jixer--I love having you around!

Mary

[AntigoneUnbound]

AS TIME GOES BY

Part 26

Summary: Willow and Tara have a baby and she's destined to be a Guardian of future powerful women and there's a Big Bad taking good souls and it needs two more to complete a prophecy involving Kyra and Faith's supposed to teach and watch over Kyra and she's also crazy about Buffy and I think that about covers it. Oh, and Xander still has cooties.

Pairings: Willow and Tara; Laura Bush and Lynn Cheney. (Eww....)

Disclaimer: I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul. Neither of these constructs, however, includes these characters, which kinda sucks.

Distribution: In 12-packs, with permission.

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Willow took a long drink of her orange juice and cast a surreptitious look around the table. Breakfast that morning was a study in emotions that at first glance seemed mutually exclusive.

Everyone was agitated about the possibility of Kyra becoming the Guardian and facing such danger; they were certainly outraged at the Anadeis' presumption. Yet there was an undeniable sense of pride as well, that she was meant for such powerful good and they would all play some part in shaping her.

Everyone was committed to stopping this Big Bad. Yet there was a palpable helplessness that surpassed anything Willow had experienced in her extended tour of demon-fighting duty.

Tara, Buffy, Anya, Giles, and Willow herself could rest assured that they would not be targets of this creature. And yet the fact that it had gone after Tara after its defeat at the Magic Box suggested that it took considerable offense at that defeat, and that meant that Dawn and Xander were in particular danger. Faith? Willow frowned. Would the Anadeis protect the Protector? Or was that truly within their power and purview?

She also knew that something had to break soon. They were researching every text they could find; contacting every source they had cultivated over seven years. Yet still they knew virtually nothing, and they could scratch the adverb when it came to information on how to defeat the beast.

Meanwhile, the strain was showing on everyone's face. Xander had called off work in order to be with Anya and the others and Buffy had kept Dawn out of school. How long could they maintain that kind of life? Willow knew that everyone secretly longed to be doing...something. But what?

At least she and Tara had one possible course of action. They could try to summon the Anadeis again and try to learn something more.

Better leave room for some crow, she thought with a twinge of anxiety. Would the ancient trio even answer the summons, after the previous night's...rudeness?

She and Tara had discussed it briefly before joining the others that morning. "I think we have to try, Will. As good as it felt to jerk them around a little, we need to know what they know." Willow had nodded in reluctant agreement.

Drawing another shot of sustenance from Minute Maid, Willow now broached the subject. "So, uh--we need somebody to watch Kyra this morning."

"Taking a break to hit the Sunnydale boutiques?" Xander queried.

Willow gave a mental glance over their wardrobe. "If we were looking for a good time, shopping wouldn't be our first choice. Or our tenth," she added. "We're dialing up the Anadeis again."

"As much as I admired your declaration of independence, I trust you'll exercise somewhat more discretion in this encounter?" Giles asked wryly as he sipped his Earl Grey.

"Discretion is our new middle name," Tara promised solemnly.

"Hey--what is your middle name?" Dawn broke in suddenly. Willow grinned in spite of her tension as she watched Tara shift uncomfortably in her chair.

"It doesn't matter," she mumbled, in a supreme and willful missing of the issue. "So--can anybody help out?"

Faith and Buffy exchanged a quick look. "B and I gotcha covered," came the easy reply. "I gotta practice up. I mean, if it comes to that," she added hastily.

"And I'll keep an eye on her," Buffy said around a mouthful of cereal, nodding at Faith. "'Cause this big Protector gig? That also includes diaper duty."

Faith's eyes widened in alarm. "Shit," she swore softly.

"Frequently."

"And we'll forge on across the vast tundra of nothingness that has been our research," Xander offered sardonically.

"I suggest we close the shop," Giles interjected, drawing a profanity from Anya that impressed Willow with its thoroughness and descriptive force.

"The whole day?" she demanded incredulously.

"We need to devote all of our energies to this," Giles replied firmly. "And besides, Anya, it's a Monday."

"Plus, it's the right thing to do," Dawn added helpfully.

"I can see this whole good soul crap is gonna bite me in the ass for a while," the ex-demon said grimly. "OK, fine."

A few minutes later, they were clearing the table. "Shall we leave for the Magic Box in, say, ninety minutes?" Giles asked, peering at his watch.

"Sure," Anya retorted. "We can watch all the patrons stroll by on their way to spending money elsewhere while we look up stuff in books that smell like ancient ear wax."

"You couldn't have just let us die, could you, Will?" Buffy murmured as she gazed at Anya in revulsion. "You had to save us so we could live to hear her say that."

"A little help with the dishes, Saw Boy?" Dawn asked, grabbing the carpenter by the wrist as Giles shook his head and called first dibs on the downstairs shower.

"Baby, we should get started," Willow said, reaching for Tara's hand.

"We'll stay in Kyra's room," Buffy said, glancing at Faith.

The four of them made their way up the stairs. Sorta like a double date...except one of us doesn't realize it.

They all crept quietly into Kyra's room. The tiny creature at the heart of an ancient prophecy slept soundly, her little rump arched slightly as if preparing to moon the universe.

Three things hit Willow in close succession. First was the almost unbearable ache of adoration that flooded her whenever she watched Kyra sleeping. Second was the fact that Faith had chill bumps running up nad down her arms. And third was the fact that Buffy was gazing at Faith as the Dark Slayer gazed at Kyra.

Some day I will find a way to ask you about this.

"You worried, Will?" Buffy asked, catching her glance.

"Not really. I mean, I'm stressed, but I don't think they're gonna try to take her or anything. We seem to be passing parental muster."

Buffy nodded. "Makes sense. Well, we'll be right here."

"And anything that comes near the kid will be terminated in--whaddya think, B...Four seconds?"

"The first three of which will involve a quip of some kind," Buffy confirmed. "Good luck, you guys."

Within a few minutes, Willow and Tara had reassembled the setting from the day before. Taking a seat, Willow reached across for Tara's hands. "Hope they pick up," she muttered anxiously. Tara's worried gaze matched Willow's sentiments. "Ready, Baby?"

"Let's do this," Tara replied, her jaw set.

Drawing a deep breath as one, they chanted the summoning spell. For several seconds there was no sound at all besides their own breathing and the quiet hiss of the candle. Willow gave serious consideration to adding a plaintive "Please?" but thought it might unbalance the spell. Plus, it sounded desperate.

And then the same faint shimmering presence filled the room. Willow held her breath; she could sense Tara doing the same. After a moment, the eldest voice said with what Willow could have sworn was amusement, "I believe we were...how do you say it now...disconnected yesterday? Probably because you banished us from your presence," she added.

"Yeah, um, about that..."

"It was foolhardy," came a second voice, which Willow recognized as the (relatively) youngest member of the tribe.

"We were rash," Tara said in a quiet, steady voice.

How does she manage to sound humble and proud at the same time?

"We were upset to learn that our daughter would face such danger," she continued. "I think you could understand that."

"Your fear is not our concern," came a third voice. "We wish to ensure that the child is raised well, and you dare to banish us."

"You sent her to us in part because we would feel so strongly about her," Tara replied evenly. "The desire to keep your child safe--there aren't many feelings more powerful than that."

"We do understand," the eldest voice echoed. Willow suddenly had the distinct feeling that grandma sometimes got a little fed up with her daughter and granddaughter. "I would suggest that we discuss what you summoned us to discuss, rather than use our time to volley recriminations back and forth."

"Works for me," Willow said brightly. Why can't I sound more...majestic?

"You have had time to consider what we told you?" This from the middle voice.

"Yeah. We're not exactly thrilled, but we're not completely bat-shit about it." Very majestic, Rosenberg. Words for an ancient scroll, indeed.

"'Bat-shit' is, I assume, an undesirable state of mind?" asked the youngest of the trio, without any trace of humor.

"Right," Tara answered, with a reassuring squeeze of Willow's hands. "We're still scared, but it sounds as if you don't want her hurt any more than we do."

"Heavens no, child." The eldest voice sounded almost hurt. "She is special beyond words, as is her destiny."

"Hence our fears," Tara said simply

"Would you rather we not have sent the child to you at all?" the second of the trio queried.

"Of course not! But you had to know that we would love her."

"We depended on it," the eldest voice replied.

"And loving her meant that we wouldn't be thrilled at the thought of her being in danger," Willow continued.

"This child will be better prepared than any of you ever were, and look at your own success," the eldest of the trio countered. "You have persevered through heart and intelligence and love. Look at all who surround this child. Do you really fear that she will possess these qualities to any lesser degree?"

"Of course not," Willow protested. "We just don't want her to have to fight."

"And thus your efforts to stop the creature that now reaps its harvest," the youngest spirit said, with just a faint whiff of derision.

If you took shape, I bet you'd look like Anne Coulter...

"Yes," Tara replied, in that same measured tone.

"Does this thing even have a name?" Willow broke in, frustration overtaking her as she thought of their blind efforts to date.

"Some call him Despair," came the eldest voice. "Some call him Truth writ large, so large as to obliterate the ignorance that lets humans move through each day believing that there is a purpose to their lives."

"What do you call him?" Tara asked.

"We have no need to speak of him, or give him any appellation at all," replied the second voice. "He is a means to our end."

"And we would fight him even if Kyra weren't involved," Tara shot back.

"Of course you would," the eldest spirit acknowledged. "This is what you do. We did not truly expect otherwise."

"And of course you won't help us with that," Willow said bitterly. "You're more than happy to let innocent people die and let innocent children fight your battles."

"Willow, honey, let's not upset the nice immortal spirits who came to visit," Tara whispered through gritted teeth.

"Words like 'happy' have little relevance to us," the second entity replied. "There is only our purpose."

"Well, our purpose is to save innocent lives," Willow countered.

"And how do you intend to save these people?" the eldest spirit asked, not unkindly. "It is incorporeal. It cannot be seen or heard. You were there, Willow, when it attacked your friends. But what did you detect? You felt no cold chill, no rustling of mystical leaves. You know these people. You sensed a change within them, not the air around them. And when you defeated it--did you see it depart? No. It left, and found you, Tara. And you were also blind to its arrival. As are all it attacks. Child, we do not possess its secrets. We do not know when it will attack, or whom. Would we tell you if we did? I suspect not. But these words are truth."

Dread, cold and implacable, slid into Willow's stomach. If they were telling the truth...

"I can't accept that," she finally said, hearing the tremor in her own voice.

"Don't accept it," the eldest voice echoed softly. "Fight it. But you will not win."

"So these people are just...lost?" Tara's voice shook with helplessness.

"Yes. They are good people who shouldn't die. And they will. Just as good people die every day."

Willow thought she might weep, that two more souls of such grace and purpose would be stripped from the world and all who loved them.

"But what about the good they might do?" Tara protested. "These aren't random people. They've already done so much to help others. Who knows what else they might bring about?"

"They have already honored the gift of life more than most," the second voice agreed. "And that will need to suffice."

"But the people left behind?" Willow cried. "They think that their partners and parents chose to leave them!" Even as she toyed with the idea of explaining it all to those survivors, she dismissed it. Who would believe them? And where would it go from there?

"It is indeed tragic," came the eldest voice. "Some will make peace with it. Some will tell themselves that it was some latent insanity. Perhaps some will even discern a pattern behind so many inexplicable losses, and pursue the truth in their own fashion. But you are correct: It is likely that at least some of those left behind will believe that their love was insufficient to keep the beloved near. And it will grieve them beyond words."

"It's not fair," Willow said, knowing she sounded childish and not caring.

"It certainly is not," the youngest spirit replied. "Existence is a roiling mass of unpredictability and unknowing sacrifice on altars not built by human hands, not made to any deities freely worshipped."

"OK, Mary Sunshine, we get the point," Willow snapped.

"Weep for those lost, child. Grieve. And then serve the good you know." The eldest voice was almost human.

"Easy for you to say," Willow whispered.

"I know."

A long silence stretched out, blanketing the room with implications and questions that had no possible answers.

Finally, Tara's hands squeezed hers once more and she murmured in a soft, steady voice, "So we fight. We quite possibly lose. And Kyra becomes the Guardian."

"A Guardian much beloved, well-trained, strong and wise," the second spirit replied.

"Why can't you wait? Let her choose?" Willow asked desperately.

The eldest voice answered, as if uncertain about the point: "But she will choose--in her own time."

What?

"What?" Tara echoed.

"Of course she will have her choice. It is our belief that she will choose to serve as the Guardian."

Willow and Tara exchanged an incredulous glance. "Oh-kay..." Willow began slowly. "What's the trick?"

"There is no trick, child." The eldest spirit now spoke in a patient voice as if explaining that the sun really doesn't go away at night. "Raise Kyra well. Watch over her. Let her learn from all those who love and surround her. Let Faith act as her Protector and mentor. Allow Buffy--what an unfortunate name!--to work closely with Faith. Those two are linked, I believe. Let Kyra take risks but exercise reasonable caution. Let her become all of the person she can best and most fully become. In other words--be her parents."

Could this really be true?

"So you're not going to force her to take this job?" Willow persisted, still afraid to trust this new and wildly welcome piece of information.

"What do you suppose we could do?" the second voice asked. "Throw her bodily into battle? Kyra's powers are meaningless if not freely chosen."

So we finally agree on something...

"How will she know she's the Guardian?" Tara asked cautiously. "Not that I'm saying she'll choose this after she finds out."

"Of course not." Again Willow could hear something akin to amusement.

"We will not leave," came the distinctly humorless youngest voice. "We will stay close. We will speak to Kyra and tell her of her role when she is ready to hear."

"But shouldn't we tell her?" Willow interjected. "Shouldn't we be the ones to break the news?"

"The 'news' will only be marginally so," the second spirit replied. "She will have a sense from a very early age that she is different from other girls."

"I can help her with that," Tara muttered, and this did indeed earn a small chuckle.

"You can help her with all of this," the eldest said. "I told you before: we chose you well."

There was another, briefer silence, and then the eldest suggested, "Perhaps it would be well for you to consider what we have told you. Talk to your friends in the next room, who are watching over Kyra so well and so fiercely. And go fight your fight, as you must do."

"We will," Tara replied simply.

"We can contact you again?" Willow asked, still half-afraid to believe what they had just learned.

"Of course. I suspect that you will have other questions for us, to be posed in your profoundly singularly way."

"Um, thank. I guess," she amended.

"We leave," the eldest murmured, and the room was silent again.

Willow stumbled to her feet, pulling Tara into a tight embrace. What were they feeling? Relief, certainly, that Kyra would have a choice, but grief and helplessness as well, at the full realization that they might well be unable to stop all of it from unfolding. They held each other close for several minutes, and then reluctantly pulled apart.

"We should tell them," Tara said, nodding in the direction of Kyra's room. Taking Willow's hand, she led the way.

A few minutes later, the two Slayers had been fully apprised. Like Willow and Tara, they were both relieved and disheartened. "We'll fight however we can," Buffy said quietly. "That's all we can do."

"Well, you definitely got the thumbs-up, Faith," Tara said. "We're supposed to let you work your training magic."

"And Buffy, you're supposed to work with her," Willow couldn't resist adding. "They said you were supposed to help Faith."

"Don't even think about asking me to make you coffee," Buffy grumbled. "'cuz I don't do that."

"Just fetch me cool drinks when necessary, cabana girl," Faith said arily.

They could hear the others still rustling around downstairs. "Guess they haven't left yet," Willow said, glancing at her watch. "Not to state the obvious or anything..."

"Scooby Standard Time," Buffy replied, rolling her eyes. "Giles is probably ready, but by the time Anya gets done with her hair, and Xander and Dawn are finished swiping at the dishes and splashing water all over the floor--" She broke off suddenly, fear washing across her face.

Willow realized it almost as soon as Buffy did.

"They were alone."

********

To Be Continued

[Darth Pacula]

Dibs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Back when I've actually had time to read it!

...

ETA: And I'm back. G'day, Mary. Ah, what a grand feeling. I roll reluctantly out of bed, turn on the computer, and wham! An update of 'As Time Goes By'! Can there be any better way to start your morning? If only I didn't have to go to work. At least it's a POETS day.

Yowsers, the scoobies are one big conflicted bunch aren't they. They don't want to let this Big Bad win, but they can't figure out how to stop it, and are kind of proud that Kyra's been picked for the role of the The Guardian in the stage production that is life.

Hey, you used purview too! Good on you! Oh and 'scratch the adverb'? Can't say I've heard it like that before.

I'm just wondering, if there a time limit on the whole ten person bodycount? I can't remember if you've mentioned it before, and I don't really have the time to go hunting for it at the moment. If so, maybe they should hope it goes after Xander and Dawn.



Hang on there, people! I'm just saying that if the BB takes its earlier defeats personally, and focuses exclusively on them, at least they know who the targets are, and can keep them safe by ... oh I don't know, tying them to a chair? But if there isn't a time limit, that whole plan goes out the window and blows up any birds singing in the trees nearby.

As always, you write the scooby banter par excellance, especially Faith's little realization about the horror of diaper duty. And a three second quip? That would have to be a short one.

You know ( well, okay you don't, obviously, hence why I'm saying it ... unless you're telepathic ... you aren't, are you? What am I thinking right now? Er ... where was I? ) I'm getting a kind of a virgin, mother and crone feeling off the Anadeis. I'm guessing that's intentional.

Oh, crap on a crutch ... stupid job. I'm going to have to continue this when I drift back in on the tide this afternoon. Ciao, Mary and have a good day ... except it's probably night where you are so ... er ... sleep tight.

ETA: And I'm back again. Free from the tyranny of the workplace for another couple of days, since I didn't win lotto last night. Now I just have to remember what else I was going to say ....

Right, it's good news that Kyra won't be forced into the Guardian gig simply on the say-so of the Anadeis, but it's raising a few other issues for me. If they ( they being the Anadeis ) feel fine with the prospect of Kyra possibly turning them down in the future, why were they so freaked at the prospect of the scoobies thwarting the BB? Are they simply that confident that Kyra won't tell them where to shove it? Or are they up to something more sneaky? Maybe it's just my paranoia acting up, but I don't trust them. I reckon they're up to something else that they aren't advertising.

Oh Mary, you evil creature you! What a cliffhanger to leave us all dangling from. Will Xander and Dawn be off-ing themselves even as the others speak, or will the rush down stairs and find the both of them playing silly buggers and fencing with kitchen utensils? I guess we'll have to wait to find out.

Since you asked what I do in my spare time to attain all of my scars, well ... the answer is not much these days. I'm just a terminal clutz. I used to bounce around the rocks at the beach like a deranged mountain goat when I was a kid, but not so much since I moved to Brissy. Though just last weekend I nearly broke a finger when I whacked the handle on the fridge while playing silly buggers in the kitchen.

I was sorry to hear about your visit to the big house. Did you have to shiv someone to build a rep? Though I have to ask, were you trying to put the knackers on that coach, or was it knickers? Cause, ya know, totally different situations.

As always, Mary, an update of pure excellence. May they never stop flowing.

Bye for now,
Paul.

[justin]

OOh that was great,

I was wondering how they were going to convince the anadeis to help them. The best I could come up with was saying,

"okay we've slept on it and we've decided we want Kyra to bedome the guardian after."
"Oh well that is good to hear."
"But, just out of interest, if we had still want to stop the prophecy, how would we fight this thing? Hypothetically speaking of course."
"Oh well what you need to do is..."
"Suckers!"

I wasn't really surprised that the Anadeis answered by saying, "We don't know and wouldn't tell you even if we did know."

The Anadeis seemed to be of the view that Willow, Tara and the others would fight because of who they are but they wouldn't stand a chance. That wouldn't be so bad but they did come over as being rather smug about it. Which gives them all another reason to beat this monster, just the fact that no one likes a smart arse.

Of course they didn't ask the important question, why do these ten people have to die in order for Kyra to become the guardian? What's the connection between these ten deaths and Kyra's destiny?

As to leaving Dawn and Xander alone? All I can say is oopsie Are they going to rush downstairs to find Dawn drowning herself in the washing up bowl. while Xander uses one of his table saws in order to cut himself in two?

[TinyAnt]

Hello, Mary. I'm Ana. I just found this story a few weeks ago, and I must say I really love it. As others have pointed out, the way you write the characters is amazing. It's the way the show was at it's best, but in your case all the time. Who could resist that?

One of the things that really stand out, in my opinion, is the enemy they are facing. Probably one of the most original 'monsters' I've seen in fanfic, and one of the most scary too. I love the fact that this fear is caused, not by describing something physically gruesome, but by the way it works. What could be worse than losing a loved one like that? And I also liked how, despite that, it became almost a secondary concern in the face of Kyra's fate. Almost.

It's amazing how many vital issues you've managed to bring up through your storyline. Morality, fate, destiny, free will... all great debate fodders. All the intellectual discussion that goes on in this thread pleases the geek in me immensely.

Anyway, I don't really have much new to add, but I though I'd tell you I enjoy your writing and I'm glad to see you picked it up again (also, I admit, glad that I didn't suffer the hiatus and waiting ).

[spells42]

Mary
So nice to have an update from you to read before I get on with the day.

I'm still short of time, and still have the rels with me (they're going home tomorrow) and I'm enjoying their visit very much.

Reflex response to the update: What an arid view the Anadeis have of human existence.

"Some call him Despair," came the eldest voice. "Some call him Truth writ large, so large as to obliterate the ignorance that lets humans move through each day believing that there is a purpose to their lives."

(my italics) Dreadful, in the full meaning of the word. I hope W& T don't allow themselves to be infected by them, because that would remove hope of doing any good with their efforts (interestingly, pretty much the same effect the BB has). Actually the more I read of the Anadeis, the less I like them. For some reason I'm reminded of the witches in Macbeth ... y'know 'toil and trouble' ... only I liked them better. They at least enjoyed what they were doing.

Willow's admiration of Tara's demeanour and frustration with her own inability to be 'majestic' was amusing. Also had to chuckle at the 'ancient ear wax' .... ewwww, and Faith's reaction to diaper duty.

Well, it's good to know that Kyra gets to choose. Assuming that Dawn & Xander are alright, I wonder where you'll take us next Mary? Will we fast forward to the future where Kyra chooses her destiny? Or will the Scoobies thwart the BB's evil intentions once again... .

Actually, I love the way I can't tell what's gonna happen in your story. Most fiction (I include TV, books and ff) it's possible to work out the future direction of the plot, in terms of 2 or 3 likely scenarios, and that's ok 'cos there's still a) the chance of a surprise and, b) the journey i.e. dialogue; character development, etc.. However, with this story, a surprise won't be a surprise, if you get what I mean. Oh.. erm, I hope that didn't put any pressure on, 'cos it's not intended to.

Thanks for sharing this great story. Gotta go now.
Anne

[RKT]

Such a GREAT story! Detailed and interesting. The characters are right on. The dialogue is perfect--I can really hear each person say the words you've written for them. This would have been a great story arc for the series! Great stuff! Can't wait for more.

[russ]

Hi Mary,

By gosh, you're right. I looked behind the plant & there it was. Never even heard you when you dropped it off.

Oh, and a question left over from the previous chapter. Displaying my ignorance as a furriner here: what's GED? Obviously an academic accomplishment of some sort ...

Folks tend to think Faith is safe, that the Anadeis will protect her because of her important role in Kyra's life. I kinda doubt it. They didn't save Willow; it was Tara and Faith who did that. They didn't protect Tara; it was Willow's foresight that got her through. If Faith (as well as Xander and Dawn) is to avoid being a victim, it will be because of her friends' action, not the Anadeis. However, Faith has something really scary to deal with as she realizes what the "big Protector gig" really involves.

Anne describes the Anadeis as having an "arid" view of humanity. This sums it up nicely: they're so far removed from things human that they can't (with the sometime exception of the eldest) empathize with human emotions and motivations. They look on us with smug superiority, and really need to have their "nice, immortal" butts kicked. (Do immortal spirits have butts?)

Barring some new discovery or revelation, there is no chance of saving two strangers. If they're careful, they will be able to protect the three remaining unattacked Scoobies. Hence I foresee a stampede down to the kitchen in the next chapter.

The old brain has now stalled, due to lack of sleep. So I'll post this, say thanks, and go recharge.

Russ

[jixer]

Hello Kittens-

I echo my fellow Kitten above in the expectation of a rush to the kitchen and a desire to see any rump-like part of this smug trio kicked or subjected to a vigorous corollary.

I have to agree with the ethereal biddies that Kyra would choose to be a protector (after choosing teacher, horse trainer, firefighter and astronaut).

The gang may not know how to fight 'Despair' and save the last two victims, but these are the same people who various people and beings knew could not stop the Master, the Mayor, a hellgod, and a killing machine/human/demon thingee. Tara's even kind of getting through to her student. The question is where will a possible solution come from. Thanks to you we have a bunch of bunished Scoobies who are in so much better shape than the factory seconds you received. Any of them could spark the idea that becomes the forlorn hope.

Then there's the fact that Kyra's not walking yet at one. I think the real problem is that neither mommy knows how precious this time is. Some day she's going to pull her self up, walk a few steps and decide 'that's it'. Then Willow, Tara and the Slayers' are going to be tested like never before!


Thanks for this story,


Jixer

[histchic]

Firstly, again, this fic is awesome! Secondly, this fic is awesome! Thirdly, well you get the idea.

As for W/T's conversation with the Anadeis, there's a lot to be said for miscommunication stemming from assuming what others (human and otherwise) think and intend. Even before their first conversation, Tara especially had her mind made up that it was one way or the other, fight or no fight, that the Anadeis would merely choose between those two options. IMO, these deities would know from millenia of experience that there is rarely, if ever, only two options to any given situation. And they would also know that we humans are odd creatures, we don't exactly march to the same beat all the time.

I applaud your choice of having Faith as the lead Protector and Buffy as loyal sidekick for many reasons. Firstly, it won't hurt Buffy to go down a notch on the hierarchy. Second, Faith has matured on so many levels....case in point, who would have ever imagined her spilling her guts to Willow? Not I. She also has more at stake because Kyra is her only shot to becoming part of the Scoobies, instead of the periphery (i.e. Angel, Cordelia, etc). Buffy, on the other hand, has a secure spot. Because Buffy has that security, she can ground Faith and support her, whereas the other way around would be shaky and volatile at best.

Now speaking of periphery, its quite interesting that Xander and Dawn are the two Scoobs left susceptible to Despair. In canon, it seems a bit odd to me that they introduce Dawn out of nowhere as the Key, then just drop the storyline, although Dawn stays on the show. So, after Glory is taken care of, she's just kinda there. Also, Xander is the only Scoob without some supernatural tie( Buffy "Slayer", Willow "Witch", Giles "Watcher") so he seems a ripe target for self-esteem issues, which is what Despair feeds on.

Once again, Anya makes me crack up with lines like

"I can see this whole good soul crap is gonna bite me in the ass for a while," the ex-demon said grimly.

All of your characters are spot on, and I love this exchange between Buffy and Faith

"And I'll keep an eye on her," Buffy said around a mouthful of cereal, nodding at Faith. "'Cause this big Protector gig? That also includes diaper duty."

Faith's eyes widened in alarm. "Shit," she swore softly.

"Frequently."

I know you'll make everything turn out right in the end, and make the ride interesting along the way. Toodles and take care.

[AntigoneUnbound]

Hello, all. As ever, thanks for your literary patronage. (That's different, of course, from patronizing me: "Oh, what a nice little story, Mary. You must be so proud!") Anyway, it was interesting to read people's perceptions of the Anadeis. The oldest one is sort of growing on me, which is not to say that I approve of all her methods. I see her as the one least inclined (whether by age or "personality") to get all moralistic. They see themselves as devoted, above all else, to their cause. Thus, all other concerns are secondary.

Paul: First of all, I gotta get over to At Any Cost and leave some fb. I read it yesterday but was in a rush. Later today, I promise. It's a great story.

They don't know if there's a time limit, but in either case it would make sense for this BB to wrap up his business ASAP, since he now knows the Scoobies are capable of stopping him at least within their own circle. And interesting point about Xander and Dawn--the next update will prove illuminating on that front.

I think the Anadeis feel confident that Kyra will choose to be the Guardian should she reach her powers. The Anadeis were thrown just a bit by the idea that W&T would try to stop the prophecy from ever reaching fruition, but they trust that should it come to pass, Kyra will in fact choose her role. (And so do I.)

Playing silly buggers? What a great phrase! I gotta use that sometime...And believe me when I say that the thought of doing anything involving Joe Paterno's knickers is so horrifying as to leave me almost speechless. Yeah, I made a meth dealer my bitch while I was in the big house...everyone pretty much gave me wide berth. Roughest 24 hours of my life...

Thanks again for the great feedback, Paul! Watch out for that fridge door--4 out of 5 accidents in the home involve refrigeration/coolant appliances.

Justin: Love your scenario for the info exchange. Those meddling kids...Yeah, I think it's the Anadeis' seeming "But of course this will come to pass" that fries everyone's ass. Here they're saying that Kyra will have a choice, but they feel very confident in the choice she'll make. I wonder how people would react differently to them if they were less arrogant? You know, the 10 souls are just part of the prophecy equation. There's a sort of balance involved, or so the players believe. This BB takes 10 souls every time it makes an appearance. The Anadeis set up the prophecy to have this particular harvest result in the unfettering of a new power, a new force for good. Is such an exchange truly necessary? Or have the Anadeis written it into the deal so as to have some sense of parallel impact, to underscore the interconnectedness of good and evil? Now, as for the image of Xander cutting himself in two with one of his table saws...Gak! Evocative, indeed!

Thanks for the great words, Justin. I always love seeing your name on this thread!

Ana Hey girl! Welcome, and thanks for checking this out. I appreciate the kind words about character; that's definitely something I pour a lot of thought into. I agree, that the silent, invisible terror is far worse than any slash and bash villain. My mind can always create something worse than what's out there...There's been a lot of great dialogue on this thread over the various issues, and I think that's a testament to the minds around here. Thanks for coming on board, and I hope you enjoy the rest of the ride.

Anne: Good heavens, the rels are still with you? Haven't they heard the old saw: "Guests are like seafood. After 3 days, you need to throw them out." Though it sounds as if you're enjoying your time with them. I'm probably projecting...In any case, thanks for taking time out to follow along. Now, the Anadeis' reference to this BB: they're talking about what some have called him, not necessarily what they consider him. Indeed, they don't consider him much at all, aside from his place in their plans. Those words reflect what I think happens for some people who take their own lives: there's a belief that this is the only rational thing to do. They've been kidding themselves all along (that life has purpose) and, stripped of that illusion, any other course of action is simply impossible. Put another way: it's the only thing a sane person would do. So the Anadeis were the mouthpiece for one of my beliefs about certain suicides. Of course, this is mystical in nature, but I think there's still applicability.

I'm glad you like the unpredictability! I confess, I typically have the next 2-3 updates roughly mapped out in my mind but it's not at all unusual to find myself typing something and going, "Huh. Wouldn't have thought that was gonna happen!" And yet it feels like what needs to happen. So I'm glad you're enjoying the ride, and not feeling yanked all over the place. (Though if you were/are, I'd definitely want to know!)

Enjoy the rest of the time with family, and thanks for following this.

RKT Hey, welcome! Glad to meet you! This is definitely a fun and twisted story to write, and I'm glad you're enjoying it. There are a lot of wonderful stories on this board. Character and dialogue feel like two of the more natural elements for me to write, so it's nice to know that comes through. Thanks for the very kind words, RKT, and here's hoping you enjoy the rest of the story.

Russ, Russ; Aphids Make Me Cuss: Well, the banana spiders have disappeared, so I'm venturing into my garden with distinctly less twitchiness. I've already decided what everyone's getting for Christmas: infused oils, using my peppers and herbs. What? I'd love to send you some!

Oh, the GED is a high-school equivalency exam/diploma. I need to watch how many US-specific references I use. In this update, I use Anne Coulter, who's this right-wing nut-case bitch commentator/pundit. I tried to think of the most imperious, snotty, elite I could think of--and there she was! A stick up her ass of almost Biblical proportions...

You make a great point about the Anadeis' removal from humanity. I see the eldest as having by far the greatest sympathy and compassion, and definitely capable of at least imagining what humans feel. But they are most invested in their role and duty, and nothing else can carry nearly as much weight. Now, as to your question: I looked up "Immortal Spirits" in Gray's Anatomy and indeed, they do have butts. They're difficult to find, however, and almost impossible to hit. Really.

Let the stampede commence! Thanks for the good thoughts, Russ. How's the sauce coming?

Jixer: To paraphrase Dave Barry, my favorite humor writer: "Ethereal Biddies" would be a great name for a band. Yeah, I think it's pretty clear that if the prophecy isn't stopped, Kyra will in fact choose to become a fighter. Look at her role models! The Scoobies will fight b/c it's what they do; what they have to do. And you're right: they have enough 9th-inning heroics to draw on to believe that maybe they can pull it off.

Oh yeah...When Kyra starts to walk, all bets are off. They won't have time to fight demons; they'll be too busy pulling Kyra off the passing fire trucks.

Thanks for following this so well, Jixer. It always brings a smile to m'face when I see you've left feedback.

Histchic: Hey girl--glad you're enjoying this little stroll through Mysticonia...

As for W/T's conversation with the Anadeis, there's a lot to be said for miscommunication stemming from assuming what others (human and otherwise) think and intend.

Oh, yeah. I am all about the pitfalls inherent in assumptions, even though we make tons of them every day just to make our way through that day. Tara let herself get (understandably, I feel) catapulted into "You won't touch my child!" and made a lot of assumptions without checking them out. ("Hey, check out that assumption!" "Whoa--hot!")

Loved your point about Buffy and Faith's roles. You get the psychology involved, and the risks attached to the reversal of those roles. Excellent psych, too, re: Xander and Dawn. I think they were both surprised that they weren't on the initial hit list, and I wonder if they've sort of assumed (!?!) that they're just not important enough to get its notice. Hmm...

Writing Scooby banter/exchange is just such a fun part of doing these stories. I'm glad those elements ring true for you. Thanks for the kind words, and have a great weekend.

OK--more as events develop.
Mary

[Willow~Rosenberg]

Hey. Taking a break from my piles upon piles of schoolwork to leave long overdue feedback.

Well isn't that an interesting twist. Kyra will have a choice. At least that settles things for our girls a bit. However, the BB seems to become more ominous as the updates continue.

Loved the Buffy/Faith exchange about watching Kyra. I'm also wondering what the look that Buffy was giving Faith meant? What was she thinking? Hmm. Maybe Willow will talk to Buffy when things settle down a bit.

Also, the part where Willow realized that they left Dawn and Xander alone shows just how easily the BB could attack them. They got sidetracked and left the two of them vulverable for attack. It just empasizes the point that they can't watch people 24/7 no matter how hard you try. They can just hope that they recognize the symptoms for what they are.

I look forward to reading more.

[histchic]

.......you liked my feedback? wow. extra wow.

Just wanted to leave a note because something you said to Justin got me ta thinkin' (very dangerous). You said:

Those meddling kids...Yeah, I think it's the Anadeis' seeming "But of course this will come to pass" that fries everyone's ass. Here they're saying that Kyra will have a choice, but they feel very confident in the choice she'll make. I wonder how people would react differently to them if they were less arrogant?

Firstly, there' a difference between arrogance and confidence, as you pointed out. Secondly, as humans, every choice we make defines us. Also, those who influence us define our choices to an extent. Monkey see, monkey do. The Anadeis wouldn't have picked the Scoobies just from skimming their file. Based on the past, they know that anyone who comes into the Scooby fold will gain the following a) a huge amount of unconditional love, b) knowledge and understanding of the supernatural world, c) a passion for fighting the good fight. Because of that last reason, the Anadeis know(and are muchly counting on) Kyra choosing to be the Guardian. Because of those around her, what could possibly be more important than fighting evil? Honestly, flower-arranging would have to be unnatuarally convincing to take a child of the Scoobies away from fighting that good fight. Hmmm, maybe that's where you'll take us?

Just wanted to leave that thought. Can't wait for the next update. Toodles and take care.

[Katez0r]

Before leaving you any decent feedback, I just have to respond to this:

If you took shape, I bet you'd look like Anne Coulter...

with a BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Because, damn. I almost choked to death on my Tootsie Roll (which I don't even actually like very much...) when I read that.

I'm glad Tara and Willow talked to the Bigwig Trinity again. As pleased as I was with their 'hanging up' the first time around, I was wondering if they maybe had missed some pretty important stuff. Which, it turns out, they did. I'm proud of them for sucking it up and going back to their most likely source of information. Too bad they don't know 'nothing about this Despair. I'm totally picturing Neil Gaiman's self-mutilating saggy fat old gray woman Despair here, and that's probably wrong. But oh well.

Loving the weird Buffy/Faith connection you've got going on here. I've always thought there was a TON of one-sided lusting for Buffy going on in Faith's world, but never thought it was reciprocated. I'm interested to see where you take this. They're a pretty formidable team, any way you pair them.

Dawn and Xander. Eek. I didn't like Dawn too much in the show, though I empathized with her and understood where she was coming from, but she was just SO FRICKIN' WHINY. (Get out, get out, get out! Is screechy eardrum breakage a Key power?) I did enjoy that she occasionally had fantastic zingers for lines, and I love that you give her those and make her as intelligent as she probably was, though we never got to see it. I