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Re: Gilmore Girls

Postby Garner » Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:36 am

Finally! This is the quality of episode that got me into this show in the first place. Easily the best so far this season. The opening bit was amusing, and the Lorelai-Rory banter was back in full swing, again, finally!

There was a lot of good stuff in this ep. Sookie doing the whole BFOTB thing and Luke's 'Awww jeeez,' I loved the apartment and Paris' security system: we keep it on Rush Limbaugh of course so they know we have guns in the house,' was awesome. I loved the doo wap group thing and the pay off when Lorelai tells Rory she'll miss her after she's murdered and stuffed in a dumpster by the doo wap group was great and delivered perfectly. Paris as editor and my door is not open was great and the whole fighting with Doyle was rich too. Wonderful timing on the lines and the sight gags, even with the snow starting just before Lorelai realizes it and talks about signs. Even the serious stuff was not dull for a change, I liked how the wedding plans fell together, Luke dealing with Anne Nardini, and Rory and Logan.

I knew he just said they had broken up to get everyone off his case, though he also wussed out and couldn't take the drama, which is sort of typical of the priveleged rich boy stereotype, but he also realized he made a mistake too. I actually do hope they get back together and that Logan does change and mature, I think that could be an interesting road. In EW a while back ASP said that the show would go one more season and that would be it. Assuming they stick to that I am not sure what that bodes for Rory and Logan, maybe they get back together and have a full falling out by season finale. Which I think will be the Luke Lorelai wedding. I can't see that being put off till next season unless next week ruins everything.

Even Lane was amusing this ep, I loved her bargaining with the one lady about the chair and Mama Kim saying she forgot to kick her in the pants on the way out. And the hidden hooch was awesome too. ASP did a great job with this ep and I hope the quality and humor stay at this level. And for the record, I think that Anne Nardini is going to die somehow and Luke will end up with the kid. I could be wrong, but I could see that happening.

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Re: Gilmore Girls

Postby seurat » Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:27 pm

I liked this ep too, although I still don't think the show is back in top form. Im still worried about the April storyline, but I have to admit that the scene between Luke and Anna was well done. I liked seeing more of Paris, but my favorite parts with her were when she was with Rory or at the paper with the staff. I've never been completely sold on the Paris/Doyle pairing, it just seems kind of blah to me.

The stuff with Sookie was pretty good, I've found Sookie has been written badly recently but this was fine. My absolute fave part of the ep was the Lane/Mama Kim scenes. When Mrs. Kim went around closing doors and windows and pulling cabinets in front of then to hide what she was going to do I was sure she was going to reveal a secret room or something - Mrs. Kim has a Batcave and a secret identity maybe? But a secret stash of alcohol is almost as good and it was sweet to see her communicating so clearly with Lane. Loved Lane's sale tactics too.

Didn't like the dress much though, not my area of expertise certainly, but didn't it look strange on her? I did like the Rory/Lorelai interplay and thought AB was pretty good in this ep and looked especially lovely. Didn't buy the crying scene at the therapist though. They should have taken the time to reshoot that. Many times if necessary.
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Re: Gilmore Girls

Postby Garner » Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:23 pm

The dress seemed decent when it was just hanging there, and a lot of it is good, but the part from the chest on down to her hips makes her look a little fatish because of all that ruffles or whatever it is that is on it. If that stuff was just in the chest area and then the rest was smoother I think that might look better. Or not. It was an OK wedding dress, not hideous, but something was definitely off.

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Re: Gilmore Girls

Postby Garner » Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:14 pm

What, no comments on the latest ep? I thought it was decent enough, an OK follow up to a very good ep. DP usually does a good job and there were some amusing moments in this one, the lead in was good, Taylor was amusing for a change, I actually found Luke's daughter to be sort of funny in the diner and liked his interaction with her. I also loved Logan going to Lorelai to get help with Rory, and the scene with her reading the letter was both funny and kinda sweet, but then I do like Logan, though he needs to improve his act from earlier this season. The coffee cart was very amusing and I liked it at the staff meeting. Paris was in top form, maybe a bit too far over the edge, she's been editor at Chilton before and one would think not quite so far gone, but you never know. When she got to the numbered hats that was pretty good.

I liked how Lorelai found out about April and the way Rory helped her start to get over that Luke didn't tell her right away, though while I can see him being confused, bewildered and all that over finding he has a kid, the wedding is like 6 months a way. How can that be going fast? I suppose many engagements last a year or more, but asking to postpone the wedding seems like a mistake to me. I think THAT is going to be trouble.

Well, a good ep and I am liking the direction of things for the most part.

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Re: Gilmore Girls

Postby seurat » Fri Jan 20, 2006 2:35 pm

I actually felt they went way too far with Paris this time, to the point that I found her more annoying than amusing. But her actions weren't out of character I suppose, and I did think the baseball caps were funny. Hopefully they aren't setting this up for Rory to be the new editor down the line, I don't see her taking a leadership role like that so soon after getting back in to Yale. I loved the coffee cart joke, that was priceless. Logan was ok this week, I really don't mind the guy when they aren't writing him as an insensitive jerk.

April is ok, but the storyline bites. Are we really to believe that Luke would wait two months to tell his fiance and supposed best friend about her? Come on. The plot is so painfully manufactured. Give credit to the actors that they are able to sell it to some degree, LG was remarkable in that last scene and she did it with no dialogue at all. Yes, Taylor was not as bad as he usually is, and I can see him causing everybody to be woken at 3 in the morning for a meeting. Maybe the time has come for another coup though, make Kirk the city dis-organizer. How much worse could it be? Lane was good again this week, and Zach was almost funny. Almost. I think that about covers it for me, hopefully I'll enjoy the next new ep more. E.T.A. -Hey, I thought this post had disappeared into the void and here it is, how about that? Anyway, I wanted to say that I also really laughed at the Gwen/Gavin line, so funny and so true and one of their better pop culture references in a while.
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Re: Gilmore Girls

Postby HalfCamel » Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:48 pm

No comments on this week's GG? Well, I don't know how I'm feeling about this episode overall. I didn't love it, but I didn't hate it either. Lauren Graham's acting was phenomenal, she has such range. Melissa McCarthy was great too. Is it me or have they been showing off Alexis' legs a lot more? I know AB’s acting has been criticized before and I hate to jump on the wagon cuz I love her, but what is up with all those pauses she takes? It’s like, if she’s not speaking quickly she needs to pause or something. Although, I must say I think she did great during the Friday Night Dinner where she got to play off of Graham, Bishop, and Herman.

Anyways, on to the episode. OMG! Lorelai, say something to Luke about the whole April situation. It was heartbreaking to watch her throughout her interaction with him and her conversations about him (with Sookie). I don’t get why Luke doesn’t want Lorelai and April communicating. I get the whole wanting to get to know her and being alone with her, but you’d think that he’d want his future wife to spend some time with his daughter, at least once or twice with Luke there to start. I think Luke’s wrong in that sense. I still don’t understand why he wanted to postpone the wedding, he’s a grown man he should be able to handle his stuff.

When did Paris become so obnoxious? Yes, she’s neurotic and wound up tight, but I think they went too far with the “Reign of Paris.” Is she going to have some kind of break down so that Rory can take over the paper? I don’t even think she should take it over, considering everything she’s been through.

I love Lorelai’s voices!! I was cracking up when she was imitating her mother at the campus. That was just too funny.

I hate to say it, but the dinner was the most interesting part of the episode.

It was stupid that the newspaper staff was still wearing the number caps, considering that they all hate Paris and it was her idea.

I like that they’ve kept Paul Anka around.

The way they made it seem in the teaser for the next episode… well, I refuse to believe that they’re doing the whole pregnancy scare; that would be lame. But none the less, I’m looking forward to seeing it.

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Re: Gilmore Girls

Postby HalfCamel » Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:50 pm

Oops! Double post.
"Supposedly the summer is "over." The people that say that are either children or work in the education field. We are neither of those things. The summer is over when it stops being 300 degrees outside. Which won't be until December. That said, we will continue to have summer fun!"
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Re: Gilmore Girls

Postby urnofosiris » Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:54 pm

I thought the dinner was the best part of the episode too. The shell shocked look with the messed up hairdo´s Rory and Lorelai had at the end was priceless. I did not like nor dislike the rest of the episode. They have turned Paris into a manic cartoon character, but then again, Paris can also be in the midst of a very realistic selfdestructive breakdown. I have seen people act that way for real. It has to have a continuation though, I do not want her to just be an object of comic relief for others and she herself destined to be miserable. This needs to be resolved. The Luke being so obtuse and postponing the wedding thing annoys me. We have done the Luke Lorelai angst for a whole season, let them deal with life events together for a change, just like a real couple.

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Re: Gilmore Girls

Postby seurat » Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:31 pm

Couldn't agree with you more about Paris, G. This has clearly gone far beyond her usual quirky behavior into what looks like a mental breakdown that requires professional help. They could do some really interesting things with that storyline and give LW a chance to show her depth as an actress. Or they could just use this an excuse to create a rfit between Paris and Rory - for like, the 47th time - and give Rory the editor job. Needless to say, I vote for the less obvious storyline.

I did enjoy seeing Rory rise to the occasion in the newsroom though, it was fun to see her in charge like that. I just don't want to see it every week. I still don't buy the April storyline and can't wait to see Lorelai say what she really thinks about all this to Luke. I did think the line about Luke and books was funny, but the scene was a little over the top otherwise.

The Friday Night Dinner sequence was not only the best thing they've done this season but for my money all of last season as well. I loved it, the way it has breaks, moments of refreshment to eat some sorbet and then right back into the fighting. That's how families do it, first someone squares off against one person and then minutes later against someone else about something completely different. And they can all sit around and laugh about something for a while too. I especially loved Richard going after Emily about the plane, and yes, Lorelai's imitations. Why LG never gets nominated for acting awards for this show I'll never understand.
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Re: Gilmore Girls

Postby Garner » Thu Feb 02, 2006 4:32 pm

I liked this ep a lot more than the rest of you, it seems. I would put it below the last couple, but above almost everything else this season. My biggest criticism is that the opening bit was not funny at all, and I like those to be humrous, not just show Luke and Lorelai being awkward with each other.

The April situation is actually being used pretty well for some comic effect, the whole town watching through the window and Luke's exasperated look and putting his head down was awesome. SP does a good job and doesn't get mentioned that often. I also liked his rant later and Lorelai just going "You don't say," LG is great and was the whole ep.

I agree with all of you that I think Luke is over-reacting to April. The wedding isn't until June for creepsakes! That's a long time, the planning was all done, why he shouldn't be over the shock by then is beyond me? Come on, Lorelai really is the love of his life. He does need to let her in more on what he is going through.

Paris. I said before that this was too extreme for Paris. She is too smart and not THAT anal. If she is having a breakdown, that's fine. That would be interesting and I also would love to see LW given some meaty material to work with. That could be well done. I want to know where is Doyle during all of this? What is his reaction to Paris' attitude and what she is doing? He should know better and maybe could get her to listen to reason? Or maybe he got a job someplace, is gone and that is why she's melting down. The results were very funny, but I also would like to see this go someplace serious, not just a comic interlude.

I loved the whole newspaper scene. And I loved the way Logan backed Rory up and did what he could to help. This is the Logan that was so charming and engaging last season. Whenever Rory needs him, he has been there for her, without reservation. I like that. And I like that he didn't just use the family name and money to get the paper printed. He could have threatened to have his dad buy the printer and fire the guy if he didn't give them their time. He took a much more subtle approach and that was neat too. The only thing I would have liked to have seen him done was congratulate Rory more on the job she did.
I also hope that Rory is not pregnant, that might be a bit too obvious, though it does make some sense and would resonate with Lorelai's situation back when. Maybe they are going to announce an engagement? I would still love to see Rory/Logan and Lorelai/Luke married at the same time, and wouldn't be surprised if they went there.

And the dinner marathon fights were very amusing, especially the frazzeled look at the end. Everyone got to do some good acting there and it was well done, though a bit of the cutting from character to character around the table was a bit dizzying.

Even Sookie and Babbette got some good bits in this ep. I especially loved Babbette's comments to the lady in the line. There was a lot of good stuff in this ep, a good ASP offering, and I hope the quality trend continues.

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Re: Gilmore Girls

Postby BBOvenGuy » Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:17 pm

Garner wrote:I also hope that Rory is not pregnant, that might be a bit too obvious, though it does make some sense and would resonate with Lorelai's situation back when. Maybe they are going to announce an engagement?


According to GilmoreGirls.org:

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The newspaper staff boots Paris out of office and puts Rory in her place. Paris then boots Rory out of their apartment, so she moves in with Logan.
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Re: Gilmore Girls

Postby HalfCamel » Fri Feb 03, 2006 3:38 pm

Seurat said:
This has clearly gone far beyond her usual quirky behavior into what looks like a mental breakdown that requires professional help.


Hasn't it been mentioned several times by Rory that Paris has a therapist she goes to?

Garner's comment on Doyle got me thinking that maybe they're having some major problems and this is Paris' way of dealing.
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Re: Gilmore Girls

Postby seurat » Fri Feb 03, 2006 3:53 pm

I think the point about Paris is that her recent behavior looks more serious than before, and requires more treatment. It would also be nice if they showed her at one of the therapy sessions. They can go back to writing Paris as the loveable, odd character she'a always been any time they like, but I think her retreat to the bunker needs to be adressed in some way.
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Re: Gilmore Girls

Postby urnofosiris » Fri Feb 03, 2006 4:34 pm

Paris has freaked out somewhat in the past, but in a more ´reasonable manner´, like when they were about to graduate from Chilton and she did not get into Harvard. She showed up at Yale with some alternative therapist when she moved into the dorm and I am sure there must have been mentions of therapy before along the way, but this does go way beyond that and it better go way beyond her freaking out over relationship issues with that smurf, but unfortunately I fear they will go for the obvious scenario Seurat pointed out earlier and go with the Paris/Rory fight and have Rory be editor and find another place to live and Paris will go back to being ignored or occasionally show up to be hysterical some more about whatever subject is convenient at that time. I hope I am wrong because this show does not tend to ignore whatever serious problems the characters face. I missed Lane, I really wish both Lane and Paris could be a consistent part of Rory´s life and not show up every now and then as a sidekick. They are both interesting characters who can do with some screentime, preferably every week.
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Re: Gilmore Girls

Postby FineyMcFine » Sat Feb 04, 2006 9:06 am

This ep ruled. The beginning was a little slow, but I just sat there at the end during the dinner scene in awe. The dinner scene was totally vintage Gilmore Girls and and a microcosm for the whole relationship between Lorelai, her parents, and Rory. Wow. Just wow. :clap

One thing is that Lorelai was being so mature throughout the whole episode. I think at some point she should talk to Luke about the April situation, but it's good to let it marinate for a bit and not jump on immediately about how he should let Lorelai meet her. He should, but I think she's wise to let him either come to that conclusion himself, or give it a week or two before she confronts him about it.

Also, it was GREAT how she didn't let Rory, Emily, and Richard leave when they were all fighting. She was the one who stopped them and made them work it out. And in the past that's not maybe something she would have done.

Priceless, her imitating her mom and dad. "End scene."

I didn't delete this ep from the Tivo because I wanted to watch the dinner scene again. Wow.
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Re: Gilmore Girls

Postby Garner » Sat Feb 04, 2006 10:28 am

I really wish both Lane and Paris could be a consistent part of Rory´s life and not show up every now and then as a sidekick. They are both interesting characters who can do with some screentime, preferably every week.


I also like both Lane and Paris and wish there was a way to work them in more regularly, but GG has a LOT of good characters, and it must be very hard to include all of them. Even Taylor who I don't like a lot gets used pretty well. And I love the little bits of Babette that we get, too, though she might not be as interesting if she were on more. I would prefer it if we at least got a decent amount of Paris or Lane in each ep.

Rory has mentioned Paris' therapist at times, and obviously at the start of Yale the one guy was around. I am unsure why they decided to have Paris come unhinged so badly. It really does seem odd to me given her past positions of power and that while odd and a bit extreme in her actions, what we saw this ep definitely went well beyond all that. I hope DrG and Seurat are wrong in that the underlying problems are more than just Rory and Paris fighting. I don't have a problem with that situation, but I would like to see good reason WHY Paris freaked out. Something has to have happened. Maybe Doyle died or something? I don't know, I guess we'll see. I am hoping that the needs of the plot did not drive the situation and that there is a good character reason for what occurred. If not that is too much like what happened in season sux on a certain other show.

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Re: Gilmore Girls

Postby Garner » Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:42 am

What, all the way to Saturday and no comment on this week's ep? I liked it overall, though it was not much of a surprise and basically where we thought it was going. I did like several parts to it. The opening dinner was amusing and that's good as I always think that if the before-credits section is funny the ep stands a better chance of being funny as well. Rory getting the editor position was done well, and Paris' reaction fit. They just recently showed on ABC Family the Rory-Paris acrimony on student council and what we got on this ep definitely fit with that, though I still agree and say we need some reason for Paris' meltdown. I liked that Logan told Rory that she'd be great as editor and was very supportive of her getting the position, no mincing of words or anything there.

For me the best parts were Christopher bonding with Logan which was pretty amusing, and then asking Lorelai if they were hating him or not. I also liked the end dinner with Emily and Richard talking insurance scams and Luke's totally befuddled expression and then their overreaction afterwards, though Lorelai did reign it in. That meal was not as good as last week's, but was closish and different, so that was well done. I also found it interesting that Emily thought June 3rd was so soon. To me beginning of June with planning started 6-7 months prior is not that soon, but what do I know about weddings?

Anyway, I liked the ep. and next week's looks very interesting.

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Re: Gilmore Girls

Postby FineyMcFine » Sat Feb 11, 2006 11:09 am

Well, I think that you need at least a year, and minimum 9 months, to plan a wedding, but that might just be me. God forbid I say that I'm more like Emily on this one! Although come to think of it with Luke and Lorelai both being in their late 30's you probably don't need as MUCH time to plan, but it does seem that they are doing it more like a first wedding (since it is) rather than a later-in-life wedding.

Good furthering of the June 3 conflict, with Lorelai still not quite coming to grips.

And about Rory and Logan moving in - I was all aghast until I realized that she's 21 and she can probably do whatever she wants. I wonder if it will be an issue for Logan's stupid family, and/or for Richard and Emily. I think that both Lorelai and Christopher took it pretty well.
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Re: Gilmore Girls

Postby Webberific » Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:38 pm

I used to adore this show. I started watching mid-first-season and just fell in love with the writing and the acting and the characters...however, the the direction and theme of the series never really seemed to regain its footing after Rory went off to college, and I stopped watching regularly a couple of seasons ago.

Anyway, I'm posting because I just read the following article about the state of the show now, story-wise, and the future of the show, network- and production-wise...I was actually rather impressed by how well the article itself was written, which doesn't often happen with press on the 'net these days.

From AP via Yahoo News:

'Gilmore Girls' Feud Upset More Than Fans

By DAVID BAUDER, AP Television Writer
Sun Feb 12, 12:33 PM ET

This season's "Gilmore Girls" story line where the normally tight mother-and-daughter team of Lorelai and Rory feuded and gave each other the silent treatment caused some sharp arguments among the show's rabid fans.

Turns out there were some divisions on the set, too.

"It wasn't my favorite," admitted Lauren Graham, who plays mom Lorelai.

Lorelai and Rory have since made up; tears flowed. Their rapid-fire repartee is back, although usually by phone. Rory is in Yale now, and, in one busy episode this month, became editor of her school paper and moved in with her boyfriend.

The show's creators are clearly trying to push things and avoid the fatigue that usually afflicts television shows in their sixth season.

Long the WB's most critically acclaimed series, "Gilmore Girls" has quietly grown to become its second most popular after "7th Heaven." The show averages just under 5 million viewers a week, up from 4.1 million two seasons ago, according to Nielsen Media Research.

Last month's announcement that the WB and UPN will shut down to form a new network in the fall has left all of their programs in flux. But "Gilmore Girls" would seem to have earned the right to determine its own destiny and make the move to the new CW network.

The growth has come despite the widely objected-to story line.

Part of Graham's problems with the feud were personal; she missed working with co-star Alexis Bledel every day. Primarily she believed it didn't ring true to her character.

"I struggled with the idea that this character, being the parent, would go so far as to stop speaking to her daughter and not make more of an effort," said Graham, taking a break in her trailer on the Warner Bros. lot during a slow day of filming. "We had it in bits and pieces, but it was hard for me to justify — that I wouldn't try harder, that I wouldn't reach out more, that I could stand to be away from her for that long."

She questioned co-creators Amy Sherman-Palladino and Dan Palladino more this year than ever, "and I'm sure they enjoyed it not at all," Graham said.

Some critics took her side. Ted Cox of the Chicago Daily Herald said "it seemed suddenly as if the characters were being manipulated to create drama, rather than allowing the drama to flow naturally out of the characters."

The Palladinos concede that it's tough to come up with new stories for a long-running show without them seeming contrived. But in this case, they said it was important to do something that shakes Rory to her foundation — a typical rite of passage for budding adults, who learn about themselves by how they respond.

"To really rock Rory's world, we had to go to what the core of the show was and to really have them have a rift and explore what the show would be," Sherman-Palladino said. "I know there are two camps. Personally, for me, I've loved the psychological implications of this year more than any other year because we've really gotten to do some real mother-daughter stories."

Think deeply about the characters, and the silence rings true, she said. Lorelai has spent her life trying to do everything differently from her own mother. And if it was Lorelai taking time off from Yale, her mother would have personally dragged her back to school.

While things are better now between Lorelai and Rory, it's not so for Lorelai and Luke, her diner-owner beau.

They're engaged after an agonizingly long courtship. But the sudden emergence of Luke's daughter from a previous relationship has thrown their marriage plans in doubt.

It's never simple, is it? Driving wedges between seemingly well-suited characters is another risk to an audience's patience. The Palladinos like the idea of exploring the difficulties in bringing together two strong personalities very set in their ways.

"It's very different if you get married at 29, than at 38," Sherman-Palladino said. "It's a very different world, and that's what we're trying to tap into."

The future of "Gilmore Girls" is a convoluted plot itself. The Palladinos say they're genuinely undecided about whether they will continue with the series after this season — alarming news for fans of a series that, more than most, reflects the strong sensibilities of their creators.

One factor that may have driven them away — a pilot for a new series, a romantic comedy, that would have been filmed in New York — is no longer in the picture. It was scrapped with the WB's dissolution.

(Possible plot spoiler)
Spoiler:
The Palladinos are making plans for a cliffhanger ending to this season (wedding? no wedding?) and for the show to run without them in the fall, just in case.


Graham said the signs point to one more season after this one; the production company is making sure to add another year for people who had six-year contracts. Graham said that's when she'd like to move on, citing the show's workload.

"Getting the language perfect requires a number of takes that you might not have on another show," she explained. "It's just a lot of work — 13, 14 hours door to door. I've missed weddings, I've missed babies being born. I'm not complaining, because of what it has brought me, but I would be ready for a different balance."

She has a hard time imagining the Palladinos not involved, particularly if the series is coming to an end.

Television economics may also play a part in the decision. The WB is canceling "7th Heaven" because, after a decade on the air, the network's most popular show was losing money because it was so expensive to make.

"They've come to us before and asked point-blank how long we think the show can go," Sherman-Palladino said, "and we say it's a family show, it can go on forever. If `7th Heaven' could have gone on for 10 years, why couldn't this show go for 10 years? There's no reason. They're going to be hard-pressed to assemble a cast this good on television again."


I was really heartened by Lauren Graham's quotes. I've always liked her and I'm glad she feels this way about the recent writing and how her character was being written. And based on Amy S-P's perspective and the basic topic of the article, I'm glad I haven't been watching the show... because I know I'd be disappointed by many of the plots and how they wrote Rory and Lorelai.
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Re: Gilmore Girls

Postby HalfCamel » Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:19 am

A little late as usual but I wanted to pipe in before tonite's new episode. I liked this episode more than some of the other ones. This one had a lot of stuff going on that moved along the story lines, and I hope that the ones that follow wont drag on.

The fact that Logan and Christopher are so much alike should set off some red flags for Rory, although I don't think she'll see it until its too late. I'm thinking that the sudden moving in is a set up for some more drama, because the decision was really rushed.

Liza Weil was exceptionally good this time around, and she'd probably be even better if she got more screen time. I agree with Garner, we do need a reason for Paris' meltdown.

Alexis got the timing down right with the shrimp line, which I found funny.

I'm looking forward to tonites ep.
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Re: Gilmore Girls

Postby seurat » Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:10 pm

Well, if you can comment late, I can comment even later. :-D

I actually liked the last ep more than I expected given exactly the plot line we'd feared is the one they gave us. But to my surprise I thought that Rory getting elected editor was done pretty realisitically. And I really liked the speech Paris gave when she resigned, very clever writing, and delivered perfectly by LW. That doesn't make up for the meltdown storyline though, and I still want to see some more attention paid to her recent problems. Having her lash out at Rory again just doesn't cut it. But I did like Rory's directions to bypassers on how to navigate through her hallway of possessions. I'm concerned about Rory moving in with Logan though, I wish she'd accepted but made it clear she was still going to look for a place on her own Of course she's old enough to make that choice, I just don't think it's realistic for her to make the move long term so soon after they got back together.

The meal with Luke went better than I expected too, I liked that they didn't make Luke seem like an idiot for once - despite the "standing by a microscope" line, which was funny anyway - and that instead they had both Luke and Lorelai being "Gilmored" equally. And I thought Michel was used well in this ep too. We'll see what they have for us tonight, I'll be watching.
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Re: Gilmore Girls

Postby Garner » Sat Feb 18, 2006 11:28 am

Well the Valentine's episode was interesting. I LOVED the opening bit. Boozoo and the Cajun Stompers ruled! That was so awesome. There were a number of good bits in this one, Lorelai's reaction to Rory going to the gym, the whole kitchen scene and needing to be rescuitated (wow I can't spell that if my life depended on it), the knife bit, there was a lot of humor in this one. Despite that there was some sort of serious stuff too. I liked Logan offering Luke the gift and that they needed to stick together. I have a feeling at some point this is going to come back to bite him. Emily is probably going to recognize the necklace or its value, say something, and Lorelai will be surprised that Luke spent like a $ 100,000 or something on a necklace. I did like the comment that they were almost like a matched pair. Very amusing. I also liked that Logan knew Rory enough to kill the lobsters out of sight and not let either her or Lorelai get attached to them before the meal. Maybe he does pay more attention to them than we sometimes think. That was a nice touch.

Luke seemed to be acting like a jerk for a lot of the episode and that I didn't like. Luke seemed a bit out of character to me, though he has been grumpy and grouchy in the past, so maybe that fits. It was nice to see him and Lorelai finally talk a bit about the wedding and to see Lorelai's fears in that regard aired. The aftermath of that was nice and it was good to see Luke and Lorelai connecting again, though of course once they got back the daughter got in the way again and sent them in different directions. At some point Luke is going to have to include Lorelai in this part of his life, let her get to know April and vice versa. That might help ease the Lorelai's feeling distanced and alienated.

I did like the fight between Logan and his dad. That was well done and well acted. It is good to see a bit more of what Logan is facing, the expectations and domineering. I think he and Lorelai could have a lot more in common than one might at first think and they could really bond under the right circumstances. Lorelai was strong enough to get out, we'll have to see if Logan is or not.

Halfcamel mentioned that Christopher and Logan being alike should scare Lorelai, but I don't know if I agree there. Chris turned out pretty well in the end and Lorelai had, and has, strong feelings for him. If it weren't for Luke I would say the two really should be together. That might be a big endorsement for Logan.

Webberific, thanks for the interview, that was very interesting. I actually think the show is very strong right now. For me, the down part was not the first college year, which I actually liked quite a bit, but the season before that. Too much of Rory and Jess with Dean entanglements. A fair amount of that is less interesting for me. While I am not sure if I agree or disagree that Lorelai would never shut Rory out (this doesn't seem anywhere near as out of character as Willow casting spells on Tara, for example), but the show NEEDS Rory and Lorelai talking and interacting.

The only down side to this week's ep was no Lane or Paris.

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Re: Gilmore Girls

Postby seurat » Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:06 pm

I didn't like this one nearly as much as you Garner. The whole first half really dragged for me, mostly I suppose because of Luke's constant negativity which got really annoying to sit through. I also thought that Lorelai's riff on "spermicetti" was not funny at all, and although the Sookie scene was ok it was pretty much by the numbers for me, something we've seen many times before. The cajun band wasn't bad at all but not enough to save the first half of the ep. I did like the gym scene a lot though, and was glad to see Luke and Logan bonding, and Luke and Lorelai talking about some things finally. So the second half of the ep was pretty good, when this season's dvd comes out hopefully I'll remember to just watch that part and skip the rest.

I totally agree about the necklace too, although I'm not sure what else Luke could have done there. Maybe the smart thing would have been to come clean the next day and say he wished he had bought it for her and just tell her he loves her again. But of course he didn't, and now he's compounded things by again not allowing Lorelai in to his visits with April. Two steps forward (they talked about things and Luke said he loved her), one step back (the stupid April sub-plot continues to churn for no real reason).

I still like Logan half the time and hate him half the time, which I blame on inconsistent writing. I liked him this week. Next week, who knows? Is there a new ep next week by the way? I've forgotten.

Oh, and thanks to webberific for the article it was interesting and I'm glad to see LG trying to take charge of the way her character would react to the situations the writers put her in. Even if they don't listen I'm glad she cares enough to try..
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Re: Gilmore Girls

Postby Garner » Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:52 pm

Well we got a new ep and it was...interesting. Good in some areas, I liked that Paris came off better than recently and was able to forgive Rory and move beyond the problems of late, I thought Doyle was used well enough, though this did seem like a big Men Suck episode. Both Doyle and Logan getting the heave ho, and even Chris was presented as more of the stereotype single father doting on his daughter. Sure, Lorelai and April's single mom can raise smart intelligent daughters but the single guy has an out of control brat. Hmmmn. Anyway, I did like that Lane's storyline went somewhere and that she was inlcuded in the ep. I was surprised Zach asked her to marry him, that was a well done scene, though I am not sure if that will end well. The band seemed to forgive him awfully quickly.

I have mixed feelings on the whole Logan cheating on Rory, Friends we were on a break, storyline. To one extent I buy that Logan would do that, it does seem in character. And I buy that Rory would walk out. But, where do they go from here? We just had Rory and Logan get back together. Are we going to go through that again? Or is Logan just gone now? If so that was a relatively lame way to get rid of the character and I would have liked to have seen something more. Maybe this is what will make Logan renounce the family, his position with his father's firm, and get him to ask Rory to marry him. I suppose that could be the setup. For whatever reason the Rory/Logan aspects seemed dissatisfying to me, and I am still not exactly certain why. At least we didn't focus on Luke and April again.

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PS I did notice the BtVS alum Rebecca Rand Kirshner wrote this one, maybe that was part of the problem? The writing didn't seem bad per se.
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Re: Gilmore Girls

Postby Ben Varkentine » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:56 pm

I was just so, so happy they didn't have Rory and "Jonathan" hook up in a night of drunken consoling. As soon as he appeared at the bar I was thinking "No...oh, no...oh no no no no no no no..."

And, fortunately, no. For that I can forgive just about anything. Though I do think Zach & Lane getting engaged is a terrible idea (which is probably the point).

And, BTW, wasn't there something about Emily telling people Luke & Lorelei's wedding was going ahead, putting announcements in the paper and such? Shouldn't she have been dealing with that?
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Re: Gilmore Girls

Postby seurat » Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:45 pm

Ben, as to your question, continuity hasn't been a strength of this show recently. They may yet show Lorelai doing something about the announcements. No doubt we'll see Emily (and Richard for that matter) in the next ep, which is weeks from now I think.

My favorite moment of this ep was the version of Hollaback Girl. Which is probably not a good sign. I'm glad to see the band back together, but Zach proposing to Lane? And even worse, her saying yes? No, no a million times no.

The Logan/Rory breakup wasn't bad, and I thought Alexis was doing some good work there, but I doubt that it will stick and they will be back to square one again. At least this gets Rory out of his place, and gets Rory and Paris back together again. As to the Doyle/Rory scene, let us give thanks that they didn't make us watch something happen between them. Eww.

Chris is really getting on my nerves. As clueless as they are making Luke these days, he still comes off pretty well compared to Chris. And that kid! Yikes!
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Re: Gilmore Girls

Postby Ben Varkentine » Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:37 pm

Zach proposing to Lane falls into the category of something that I think is a mistake...but one I can see the characters making, if you see what I mean. If I was writing it, it would probably end up being some sort of oblique comment on that nutty "no sex until I'm married" thing Lane inherited from her mom.

And being as I love Paris in the springtime, I love Paris in the fall, I'm always glad to see her get screentime...especially away from the unworthy swine, I mean Doyle.

I agree that they're walking a ledge with Chris and Luke, but I think they've mostly been managing it okay-I liked Chris's bonding with Logan, and his calling to apologize to Lor.

As for Luke, so far I can't remember anything he's done that's made me flat-out go "No, that character would never do this." They're walking a ledge and sometimes that scares me, but it keeps me watching.

Plus I was glad that they finally, for what I think is the first time ever, showed him telling Lorelei that he loves her. I gather ASP is wary of slipping into too much sentimentality, and I can respect that.

But it was pissing me off that Rory & Logan seemed to be saying it again and again and again, which I'm sure pleases the teenbopper audience, but we'd never heard it from the couple that I identify with...
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Re: Gilmore Girls

Postby HalfCamel » Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:05 pm

I liked this episode, much more than some of the others.

I thought that Alexis Bledel's acting was really good, she definently sold it. She thrives much better with dramatic parts.

I don't think this is the last we'll see of Logan. I don't see him giving up that easily on Rory after all that he went through to get her back last time. Now, while I don't like him, and I don't condone cheating, I don't see the problem with him sleeping with other girls. They were broken up. Rory came off kind of psycho with her whole "I didn't break up, you did" thing. I do think it was wrong of him for not telling her about the other girls knowing there might be a possibility of Rory interacting with them. His whole nonchalant attitude after being called out on it pissed me off.

With the proposal from Zach to Lane, I'm going to agree with the others that it's a mistake and isn't going to turn out well. But part of me can't help but think that maybe it's going to be fine.

I'm still loving the Paul Anka references. At least the dog didn't slip off into oblivion.

Why is Chris still showing up? Is there going to be some major drama happening with him concerning the girls?

I don't like how Rory treats Paris. She's always renouncing her as a friend, and blowing her off and stuff. And then she doesn't even tell her the truth about why she's back?! What's that all about?

On the "I love you's" Ben Varkentine said:
But it was pissing me off that Rory & Logan seemed to be saying it again and again and again, which I'm sure pleases the teenbopper audience, but we'd never heard it from the couple that I identify with...


I take it like this is ASP's way of showing the difference between the ages. L/L have known eachother forever and they know eachothers quirks and they are already secure in their relationship and they know how they both feel for eachother. Like she's mentioned before, it's in the little things. Although, I agree, it's nice to hear it every now and then. On the other hand, with R/L they don't know eachother very well, they have trouble figuring eachother out (which I think has already been shown), and the relationship is relativley new so I think they keep saying it to kind of reassure eachother and maybe even themselves. With them, there's no little gestures of affection, just the words.
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Re: Gilmore Girls

Postby Ben Varkentine » Wed Mar 08, 2006 4:51 pm

Why is Chris still showing up?


Um...cause he's Rory's dad?

I don't like how Rory treats Paris. She's always renouncing her as a friend, and blowing her off and stuff.


I don't remember Rory doing that very much. If anything it's the other way around; Paris is given to big dramatic pronouncements and Rory, knowing Paris is Paris, forgives her.
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Re: Gilmore Girls

Postby HalfCamel » Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:34 pm

Why is Chris still showing up?


Um...cause he's Rory's dad?


I mainly meant in what direction are they going for with Chris; I should have phrased that question better. I don't remember Chris showing up this much in the past without him letting down the girls. What comes to mind is when he started showing up regularly, back in season 2 I believe, when he wanted to start over with Lorelai and Rory and then the whole Sherry-getting-pregenant thing happened and he walked out on them again.


Did anyone know that the actress who played Sherry is now on the Freddie show?
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