
I posted in the update thread???aaaahhhh, second dibs! you update and say nothing?!?
I see what you mean. I’m trying to walk a very thin line here in allowing Tara to disclose just enough information about the marks to not leave the reader totally in the cold but at the same time, discuss more about the marks as the story goes on. I will say this: there is a lot to the marks and they are tantamount to this story.The first chapter was a bit hard in that regard, specially because Tara talks about those 'marks' like we should already know about them
I rarely see anyone riding an elephant but if I were a powerful witch, perhaps I would do so just because I could. Tee hee.The setting is interesting, haven't seen too many magic practitioners riding Elephants before
I’m glad to hear that. I certainly have misgivings about that type of relationship so I’m glad that hear that it disturbs you.I tend to be against master/slave type of relations like they had over here in Europe around the middle-ages. I know not ALL masters were bad, it just doesn't sit well with me.
Oh I think that’s a given. I mean she is a child and she knows that she’s not their sibling but she doesn’t always know that she’s a servant. And they’re destined for wealth and privilege and she’s not so it will be hard on her we can assume.I feel sorry for Wil... um Dani because it must be difficult to grow up with such great friends only to find out your position is below them. It's got to change how you see them and yourself for that matter. I'm sure their interactions will change as they grow up.
This is the Kitten Board and I am JustSkipIt so that’s a given.But you promise Willow and Tara smoochies in the future right???
she very definitely falls into that category here. Thank you and thanks for your insight.the self absorbed aspect that can appear in lovers or the very young.
Everything you highlight here is paramount to this story. A caste system like in this universe is ultimately unfair and incredibly hard to live with. You notice that Tara is the one who is obviously tortured by what she finds out rather than Dani (that we see). And Dani is a young child yet she knows already that she is going to be a servant for her entire life. She can have no hope no… nothing.the loss of innocence, the cruelty of the caste system even when the indentured person is not being mistreated, the naivite of a child of wealth and privilege and the heartbreak of a child who understands too well that her fate as a servant has been sealed.
Thank you. That is definitely something I am going for. Willow doesn’t have much of a voice here with the exception of what Tara chooses to notice and chooses to share with us. But I’m glad that it’s coming through. Thank you.Although the tale is from Tara's perspective, I thought you did a great job of highlighting Willow's sad circumstances and pain.
Well, I kind of hope so.the foreshadowing is killing me!
A good question and I apologize that her fate is not more clear. D’Shel is perfectly fine. She is a servant of the house and sees Tara and Dani every day. She was Tara’s wet nurse until she weaned and of course nursed Dani as a baby. It’s just that 1. Dani in a way no longer belongs to D’Shel; she belongs to Tara and 2.This is from Tara’s pov and in her childhood, she wasn’t particularly aware of D’Shel.I do have one question, what happened to D’ni’s mother, she was mentioned in the first chapter but not in the second?
Thank you. I have to admit that I hadn’t really considered reading it out loud as it’s not always my strong suit. But I think that this would probably go well. I hear it in my head and like the sound.I love love love the tone and language of this story, Debra. It's rich and has a restrained elegance to it; almost begging to be read out loud.
Considering the width and breadth of your reading I will say a huge thank you on that. Yes: non-expositionary exposition! That’s kind of exactly what I’m going for. I want Tara/me to tell the reader what the reader needs to know for each chapter as the reader needs to know it and not before. Tara is aware that the reader may not be up to speed but she wants to control the flow of information. So non-expository exposition is a good way to see it.Part 1 -- I don't think I've ever read a first chapter that captured me so much, in terms of imagery and the sheer non-expositionary nature of the exposition.
Yet, you can bet that it was a political thing too with two families that powerful and the oldest daughter (and magic user) married the Lord-to-be? Actually he was Lord at the time of the wedding so it’s a pretty impressive thing.but unexpectedly with a marriage between two such powerful houses, theirs wasn't a political marriage but one of real love. How rare is that.
I like what you said earlier: non-expository exposition…And with such simple language, you've given us the meaning of true love. And we still haven't gotten to the Tara/Dani story yet.
Again, I will say that I think that’s partially Tara’s thickness in not comprehending the importance of class. She does say that they are all learning how to recognize someone’s status by watching the way that person is treated by others.Up to now I don't have a sense that class existed in that household (though it was very clear that it existed in the realm) and I can understand Tara's confusion that Dani is bonded to her, and is her servant -- no, worse, her possession.
As my mother used to say, “Damn Straight!”It's one thing that someone feels strongly towards you or is unfailingly loyal because it's how they feel; it's another when their free will seems to have been taken away from them.
Remember SAI? I’ll say again. Good guesses and speculation and I’ll keep it coming.Is it because they crossed the line somehow? Or wanted so badly to cross that line that they were forced to act the opposite way? Like "I love you so much that I have to leave you"? Wow, this is going to be so intriguing.
Yes. Absolutely.Are you going to stick with Tara's pov throughout?
Yes. And I think that’s probably what most privileged people do. I will say in their defense that Melanie does tell Tara that she will protect Dani and that is indeed the role that the bonded master/mistress plays. Their servants serve them faithfully but are protected by them. I’m not saying it’s a good trade but there are probably worse ones a person could make.it would be easy to overlook the dark undertones and hardship evident in the state of Dani's mother, and the number of 'bonded' members of the household.
Well… I’m glad that’s working then. There is definitely sorrow here.Despite the apparently happy (mostly) memories, the tone of Tara's narrative is full of sorrow.
Thanks for your curiosity and keep reading.The realisation by the two of them of their respective places in the world - both of them are bound really - is hard for ones so young. I'm curious to see how they handle it as they grow up.
He won’t show up for quite a while but he will be there. And another problem I’m having: I need a love interest for Anne but I abhor every love interest Buffy ever had on the show and can’t stand the thought of bringing one of them into this universe. I don’t know about that one…I don't recall Xander....
Unless I’ve missed one that’s the first catch of that. Yes. It’s absolutely and directly a reference to that scene. I’ve tried to describe her sitting position in the shot where she is looking out the window as well as the fact that she hasn’t lit a candle.Your beginning reminds me of the scene in canon where Tara waits in the dark, following Oz's return in NMR.
Thank you again. I’m not sure that I’d use the term catastrophe but yes, the foreshadowing is definitely there and will continue to hit you on the head every so often just to keep you thinking about it.other than the foreshadowing that something bad or catastrophic or something has happened. Masterful use of the technique.
Absolutely! In my responses to Watty, I mentioned the childhood of Siddhartha as being quite like that: center of his particular universe.I guess when you're brought up as the center of a particular universe, if that makes sense, then you're probably not as likely to notice things like that, whereas Willow had to notice the things.
An interesting observation re: raised as sisters and sexual feelings. I’m pretty sure that this kind of revelation is actually about age 6 or 7 but I’m intentionally being somewhat vague and not purely linear regarding time.Speaking of their closeness and love, it seems like they were raised as sisters, sort of, and then around age 8 is when the "servant split" came into play. That's good since it was before puberty, because it gives them a little distance between each other before sexual feelings come into play.
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“You’re my Dani,” I whispered as I let my fingertips fall through her beautiful hair.
“I know,” she said and there was something in her tone that I couldn’t identify.
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True on both counts. I think there is a big difference between loving and being devoted to someone through free will and having it decided for you.I don't doubt for a minute that Dani's love for Tara would have proven that to be true, but the fact that she doesn't get to make that choice is so, so sad. On the other hand, the girls (i.e. Tara, 'cause Dani does already) are still too young to realize what a big elephant in the room this is going to be.


I agree although I think her feeling toward it is mostly carefree. It’s like her mature view is only sliding in along the edges.The account of the carefree naivety of her childhood being slowly but surely encroached by the demands of her inevitable adult station in life is quite sad.
I’d say that one of those topics will have a bit more and one will have a lot…The unraveling parallel of circumstances between these two protagonists is really intriguing me, as is the foreshadowing of what has become of them. I wonder if The Estate of Roses has a part in it as well as those dreaded marks?
Yes. What you say makes perfect and wonderful sense. I definitely would say that Tara has grown up and doesn’t want to go back to that idyllic childhoodThe tone of the story is somewhat somber and somewhat longing on Tara’s part.
More on that soon…And I’m very interested to see what has happened to get Tara to where she’s at now, and to see where Dani’s at now.
Oh absolutely. I don’t blame Tara very much. She was a bit clueless and not really capable of understanding that being a Lady and being with someone you love is a little different from being a servant and being with someone you love but she’s not a jerk. She’s not stupid. She’s just a little simple and self-centered as most people are.looking back, Tara finds herself to have been so insular, even selfish, but in a very real sense she never had the chance to learn another way.
Very intentional that.Whereas apart from allusions Tara makes, we're not getting Dani's point of view –
I think that’s a pretty common phenomenon. I mean don’t you meet privileged people who complain about stupid things every day and then meet less privileged people who are grateful for being able to buy groceries? Dani is gifted (in a way) with lower expectations than Tara so she can adapt more easily and have less angst (or so we assume).she seemed to adapt to her social station with less fuss than Tara, with a kind of sadness, but also I sensed a resolve in her that, being told she had to be Tara's servant, she decided out of love to be exactly that.
Does any one every understand what anyone else is going through?I wonder whether either of them really understood what the other was going through.
An excellent point. Tara is confused but she’s also committed enough to the way things are that it doesn’t occur to her that anything could be different.You’ve done a superb job in conveying young Tara’s honest confusion about ‘place’ and ‘role’ , yet not so overwhelmingly confused that she insists Dani stop calling her Miss or stop kneeling before speaking! I don’t know whether to be sorry for Tara or furious with her!
Ooo. Can I steal that and use it in describing this story? You’re absolutely right and they’re moving toward a point of those two things happening simultaneously and ultimately if that makes any sense.One can just feel the world closing in on Dani while simultaneously Tara’s is opening up.



The thought that people consider marked-servants practicing magic as a ridiculous idea is worrying.
and what an update!!!
but giving her the ability to perform spells proves there must be sooo much more to her than her position suggests.
are well worth it)
The healer came and thanks to The Creator
and when i saw that you had began a new fic i was thrilled....and with good reason. this fic is amazing and i'm so happy to see you writing it.
) Anyway, it's awesome and I can't wait for chapter 3.
The only failing Dani had was singing. Her voice was terrible. Awful. We all joked that when Dani started singing it was time to put the dogs out so that didn’t have to contend with their howling along with hers.


First off: where is the last of neeps and tatties? I don’t think I ever know what those are (guess it’s not here then).
awesome! just awesome! a perfect way to continue this wonderful story!!
i really loved how about halfway through this update your tone became a lot more light and less with the foreboding
but alas, i just know something's gonna go really really bad really really soon..
coz i have faith in your ability to completely unravel the lives of our two heroines before neatly folding them back into place again!
Gee. Somehow that seems kind of anticlimactic.DIBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBSSSSSSSSS!
Great point. Tara has no earthly idea what she feels for Dani. She feels a very deep committed bond to her but she doesn’t really understand nor question it.Love how Tara is growing her feelings for Dani, though she's still too young to know what's that emotion really is.
Good point and I hope that will remain a question…Dani is quite a box of surprises. And we kniw she's already bonded by deep affection to Tara but being a servant and such, we don't know for sure her true feelings. Shame.
Yeah. She had no idea at all what anything means.they're getting closer, kind of, but it's just so painfully obvious now the things that Tara's misinterpreting and messing up though she can't see it at the time.
I think you’re the third reader so far to point out that Tara feels very strongly but she doesn’t know why. I totally agree. She feels this incredibly strong and deep bond with Dani but she doesn’t really recognize it as anything but what just absolutely has to be.I kind of feel bad for Tara being jealous and possessive without even realizing why.
I agree but I would say that it’s not just lessons about subservience. She’s learning basically everything she “needs to know” about being a servant to a five-mark Lady. To do that well (as she will) she has to know enough to be a lively companion for Tara, a sort of business partner, a liaison with servants, and a planner. In a way, Dani must accomplish every learning that Tara needs and more to do her job.I think Dani gets more lessons about being subservant than Tara, so it's little wonder she understands it better.
Nothing. We know that D’Shel showed up pregnant and lactating and asked for protection and a position and was granted that.I'll have to re-read part1 again to determine Dani's possible sources for magic. What do we know about Dani's father anyway, not much it seems?
I’m interested that you like it. I find it somewhat troubling personally in that she is thinking it in a loving way but it’s also an indicator of her eventual ownership of Dani. She means “my girl” in that “I love her so much way” but she also refers to the “new girl,” Dani’s replacement as “my girl” and she basically means “my servant.” So I think that you could take it as good or bad. I do see that you see the conflict inherent in the use of the term.I like how Tara refers to Dani as 'my girl' several times when thinking back. With the marked-servant stuff it remains difficult to keep possive and loving use of 'my' apart though.
It’s possible that you’ve just perfectly summed up the central conflict of this story. More on this… I promise that.I think a servant/mistress relation blocks a proper loving-relation at the same time. The two releations don't work well together (non-equal vs. equal relationship?)... that's how it feels anyway.
Hmmm. I think it’s a good suggestion but I don’t know that it captures the “activity” of waiting if activity is a good descriptor for such a still activity. Does that make sense? Like Tara is Waiting and waiting is all she is doing. She could be hoping but she could be hoping while she rides her horse or plays the piano or stands on her head. So I want her action verb to indicate that she is wholly involved in the activity. Still, I appreciate the suggestion and writing this response has forced me to really evaluate the title. Thanks.maybe 'hoping for Dani' would be better?
I appreciate that. At the same time, I am writing very quickly now but I know from past experience that at some point, I will slow down. Right now I have 4-5 updates written. I like to have 2 on hand in order to post so if my supply dwindles, the reader won’t be left with weekly updates an then nothing for weeks as I catch up. But as I said, I’m very inspired to write so if this pace continues, you will have your weekly updates…firstly can I say that waiting for updates of this wonderful tale is torture! please, please don't shift to posting every two weeks as it would kill me, really, it would.
I think that is a given although I will not promise any light will be shed on the subject.Loved this update - always knew Dani was special wink but giving her the ability to perform spells proves there must be sooo much more to her than her position suggests.
I think that anyone who has read much of my writing will know what I think of Faiith. To sum up: she rocks (see School Days and Survivor: Ash Island). I don’t mind her threatening Tara. After all, that’s what kids do and she was trying to protect Dani who she also loves very much.And Faith was great, being a true friend to Dani and getting her a puppy to care for was very nice of her.
An excellent question…Will this cause a line to be drawn that they try not to cross?
I absolutely wish that! If I could get it from my head onto “paper” or a jpeg or something, I would post it immediately.it's rather suggestive the image of the marks on the servant's hip......must be very cool. i wish we could have a pic....
Nope. D’Shel is her mother—remember that D’Shel was pregnant with her when she arrived at the estate so we know she is Dani’s natural mother. Dani is definitely the brainy type like our Willow. It’s an interesting challenge in writing a universe which is so different from the one we know to attempt to insert the little connections to our W/T.this really makes me wonder about her parents. maybe she was adopted?
A very good question. I will not discuss their religion like a speech about religion or Tara giving a discussion or lecture on it but it will be very important. It will be something which pervades their everyday life and their understanding of magic. Make sense?one thing i noticed - this:
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The healer came and thanks to The Creator
The Creator....God, right? will you talk more about their religion? sounds likely (from how you set the story) that the religion will be also different - i'd be curious to know more about it.
Thank you. I have to admit that I’m not as big a fan of Buffy as I probably should be and I generally use Faith in her place in most stories. I just generally want someone who is more worldly, more direct, more with it than Buffy. And for me, Faith does that.I love the interaction between Faith and Dani. It seems she's filling the role as protective best friend that Buffy played in the series.
Just one more thing that I relate to Willow on…LOL! Willow's wonky vocal talents strikes again! Laughing Out Loud
Speculate away!. Well, this has certainly given me cause for speculations galore! Hmm
With good reason.I feel so disturbed by the power imbalance in that relationship.
Well said.Discontent blossoms when void of choice.
I’m not sure I’d say it’s my whole point but it’s near the top of the list.Also, like others who've left feedback, the power balance between the two of them is tremendously unsettling, but I'm sure that's your whole point.
We’ll see. I’m not sure what you would consider “really really bad”…i just know something's gonna go really really bad really really soon..
They're almost old enough for it now.Debra wrote:Nope. D’Shel is her mother—remember that D’Shel was pregnant with her when she arrived at the estate so we know she is Dani’s natural mother.
SallyMcFine wrote:But on the other hand, it's good that she is from a noble family because even though she's a mark-bound servant, that means they can actually end up together
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