You can access both through the community page:
http://novogate.com/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro&number=74&category=24
or through froggy's redirect url
http://www.froggyfrog.com/kitten
The policy will be easy, post any creative Willow and Tara or Amber and Aly efforts here, this includes fanfiction, wallpaper, top tens, etc... Anything else goes in the original kitty! Please vist both boards as you may miss some exciting stuff. Navigation is pretty easy, if you are here and you want to go there all you have to do is click above at the top of the Post new topic gif. At the top right click on the first "The Kitten The Witches and The Bad Wardrobe" link. This will take you to the main community page. I hope this isn't too confusing and will actually lead to more fic posting as people won't be afraid if this is the appropriate place for it.
I have moved every creative effort off the original board and into here. I often combined people's efforts into one page.
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Do not feel as if you can't start new threads over here because there's one already for your collected work. Only thing I ask is that multi-part fiction stay in one thread. If you post part 5 post it in the same place you posted part 1. Anything else can and should have its own thread. Have fun!Remember, only Willow and Tara or Amber/Aly creative efforts here kitties! Many other places to share other efforts. The fiction must be w/t fiction. [This message has been edited by xita (edited October 07, 2001).]
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xitalinda, you forgot about no nc-17. is that still enforced? and about the fanfic challenges that got through ruth... um... i cant think of anything else. hugs
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I think I remember that with the NC-17, we were going to trust that most people would use judgement. Most people have shown it so far in that sex isn't forbidden from the board. I trust that people will know if the fic is too graphic. In that case, a link to somewhere else or a submission to obsidian would be good.
Yes, the fanfic challenges should go through Ruth to avoid a glut of challenges.
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Oh god yes, challenge me please....I'm taking a break from fic challenges for a while though to concentrate on my own fic. If you feel that this is just too much and you can't cope, email me, heh heh heh...
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Xita I don't get what you mean by "a submission to obsidian would be good" please forgive my ignorance but is this somewhere else to post NC17 fic?
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Yeah obsidian is a place to submit very, very naughty fic. I mean I think a little sex here is good and like I said I trust people's judgement. I don't want the hosts to tell me I am breaking terms of service if I post something very very very very naughty. So you know nc-17 is actually acceptable for the board, but if it is XXX(this basically in movies means porno, so very very graphic) then off board hosting, either through obsidian or your own host, posted with warning and a link is good enough for me.
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I want to bump this to stress, only willow/tara fiction on the board. I know that many of you have other fictions you would like to share with the kitties, but they should not be posted on the board. It might seem narrow, but it is the way I can keep the focus on the board. There are plenty of other places that take any kind of fiction, if you are unsure about where, you can email me: xita@xita.org
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Any off topic threads should be posted as posts in the daily thread at the kitten.
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i may have been hallucinating but i thought Chance's fic was closed due to the fact willow and faith kissed and stuff. was that the reason? it was a spell and we know willow and tara HAVE to end up together cant we at least play with the angst? like that Anya/Tara fic? or do all fics have to be straight up W/T? haha no pun intended. i know we've discussed this before but i forgot and i'm sick and tired and i've had a long day at work.
xita, you have my permission (not that you need it) to delete this if you think this question is innapropriate. just email me an answer, love.
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No, I am having issues. It's fine, I want things to be open. I definitely have a commitment to this being a a w/t fic board only. I know a lot of people want to post their fic that isn't w/t here, but I never want to see w/t fic buried in a ton of other fic.
The other issue is w/ other people or t/ other people. If it is spell indunced or something like that, I am open to it. However, up to a point. I don't really want to read very graphic stuff with w or t with other people. I don't want to read long chapters on it. I think then it becomes a w/other fic or t/other fic instead of a w/t fic. Where does one draw the line? Then if that's allowed then where does it end... Would a w/xander fic be allowed because well heck they end up together at the end... and meantime there are graphic w/xander scenes in the middle? I don't want to be the one judging where it begins and where it ends.
THe thing with chance's fic is that I hadn't emailed her and I thought I should before I closed it. Also because this fic was around before I made the FAQ and it's kinda far into it.
Anyway, to avoid certain things getting posted, instead of me deciding which ones work, I thought I should like not allow anything that goes against that... I don't know what else to do.
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There are plenty of places where fics can be posted. I love it that the fic on this board is solely about W/T, because that is all I am interested in. That is just my personal preference, but I do not read W/anybodyelseunderanycircumstance and T/anybodyelseunderanycircumstance in other places. I like that here I do not have to watch out that fics contain those type of pairings. Indeed, what if someone decides to write a story where Willow or Tara are under the influence of a spell and make out with Xander? I do not want to read it. No matter how well written or that W/T and will end up together. I would not read it elsewhere, I really do not want to read it here, and I cannot ignore it if I do read it here. I do not like replying in a negative way, but I feel very strongly about this.
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quote:
Originally posted by xita:
No, I am having issues. It's fine, I want things to be open. I definitely have a commitment to this being a a w/t fic board only. I know a lot of people want to post their fic that isn't w/t here, but I never want to see w/t fic buried in a ton of other fic.I don't really want to read very graphic stuff with w or t with other people. I don't want to read long chapters on it. I think then it becomes a w/other fic or t/other fic instead of a w/t fic. Where does one draw the line? Then if that's allowed then where does it end...
i wholeheartedly agree, xita. it's hard to draw a line anytime. i know i have issues with other w/t fic places where just because there s a w/t scene they think it's W/T related and it soooo isn't. i dont like reading them either, garfield.
i think all of us that post on the board, oldies at least, know that W/T is the main focus but others may not. however, i dont mind fics that have other characters in the forefront as well but not *with* W or T. or if they are it best end with W/T cause you know, WT4EVA! lol... i'm such a dork i crack myself up.
it's great to be able to discuss this openly. that's what makes this place so special.
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I need to pay attention to people's sigs more often. Where did that line come from? And if that is from a S6 ep or Triangle I have just disgraced myself forever.
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Oh yeah I don't mind fics that are about lots of characters with w/t being there together throughtout but not the focus.. necessarily.. i mean if the fic is good. I like reading other characters, as long as w/t are there throughout.. you know?
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I completely agree with the policy and am glad to see it enforced. I come here to read W/T fic only.
However, I did question the closing of Chance's fic because it isn't really about W/T with someone else.
While I don't enjoy W/T with anyone else I see a difference when a spell or something is causing the issue ... the writer is giving us angst. I hate angst, but some of those writers love it!
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I see that too Brynn, but I really really could not stand it if the writer were to give me angst by having her make out with say Xander or any other nice dude there may have been on Buffy in the past. No matter if it is spell induced.
The fact that in this case it is Faith doesn't matter actually. Hmm, my point is that this way you could pair either of them with any character, even not so nice ones. It will be very hard to draw the line.
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I totally agree with what xita and Garfield said, I don't want to read anything that pairs Willow or Tara with anyone else, why would I?...I'm a W/T shipper and this is a W/T board, to be honest I've never understood why anyone who says they are W/T shippers would even write a fic with Willow or Tara with anyone else, and being under a spell doesn’t make it ok either, but hey, that’s just me, I only enjoy W/T with each other, I’m such a freak.
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Well, it's probably not much of an issue for me, cause I doubt I'll be posting any fic that has Willow or Tara with someone else, but I can definitely see circumstances where a scene or two could be used for angst or testing the 'ship, and W/T are still the focus and still end up together. I don't think it necessarilly makes the writer less committed to W/T, or less of a 'shipper. I can understand the policy and not wanting to have to play with where that line is. But I think it's a little unfair to say that if someone entertains the idea of W/T being with anyone else, ever, under any circumstances, they aren't a *real* W/T 'shipper. I just don't think it's that black and white.
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No one is saying that is the case. I am not, but like Warduke I still do not understand how someone could write a make out scene between W or T and someone else. Angst is one thing, having them make out with someone else is another. However that does not mean I doubt their love or commitment to W/T, I just do not understand it, and I do not want to read it. Again the big problem is where to draw the line.
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Well Wiccagrrl for me, it really is that black and white, being a shipper, W/T in this case of course, means that you love a W/T together, not with anyone else, if you like them with anyone else, then your not a real shipper IMO, you may like them but if you loved them, ship them, then why would you want to see them with anyone else?
Again, this is just my personal opinion of what the word shipper means.
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I agree with you wiccagirl. I am a total Willow/Tara shipper -- heck I don't pay attention to any other couple on Buffy - or any other show.
And no I have no need to read stories having either of them with someone else. When I see those stories at the WillTara list I stop reading.
I, however, see the distinction between a story about Willow or Tara hooking up with someone else by choice and hurting the other. And a writer providing a little angst and having them tempted by someone else because of a spell or other hellmouthy influences -- stuff beyond their control.
"Never the Twain" is a great fic -- but Tara was with Harmony when it started and Willow was still with Oz -- does this mean the story has no place on this list? W/T eventually united -- giving us shippers the desired end result.
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I dunno, because dramatically maybe it serves a purpose? I do think a lot depends on how it's handled and why it's there, and is it important to the storyline or is it just an excuse to get Willow or Tara in bed with someone else (which does kinda go against the 'shipper idea, but anyway). Personally, I don't have any particular desire to see W/T with *anyone* else. But I wouldn't automatically assume that a writer who had a scene in there that fit, that furthered the story, wasn't a *real* shipper because of that, that it necessarilly meant they *weren't* committed to or shipping for W/T, especially if the scene or situation is used to strengthen our girls, to test the 'ship in order to show how strong it really is. JMO.
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No one is saying that is the case. I am not, but like Warduke I still do not understand how someone could write a make out scene between W or T and someone else. Angst is one thing, having them make out with someone else is another. However that does not mean I doubt their love or commitment to W/T, I just do not understand it, and I do not want to read it. Again the big problem is where to draw the line.
I don't agree totally with you. Like in every real relationship, W and T could end in a situation where they make out/sleep with somebody else, especially in a different Buffyverse...since no relationship guarantees eternal fidelity.
As long as it's just a smaller chapter in a longer storyline which is focused on Willow and Tara as a couple and on preserving their relationship, I think this is OK.
For example, in Chance's fic, it works perfectly. And I'm sure there will be a solution according to the Kitten-Board guidelines.
What I wouldn't like to see here is a story about e.g. Willow having an affair with somebody while still being Tara's girlfriend...stuff like that doesn't belong here and BTW, it's kinda unrealistic. What I can imagine is an one-night-stand of one of the characters since this is a thing, that can happen to every couple...it always depends on how it's written.
Angst is in my opinion a good thing and an essential part of a lot of fan fiction...but angst can also include a make-out scene with a third person as long as it fits into the whole concept.
Writing fan fics is also toying with the characters and exploring possibilities, added together under the big arc of W/T goodness. Involving a third character doesn't mean, that the author loves Willow and Tara less, he or she just uses a different perspective on their relationship.
Concerning fics like WebWarlock's, I'd suggest if there are doubts on sides of the mods about if it's off-topic, they should ask the author for further information about the story development before closing the thread to preserve as much open-mindedness as possible.
Wow, what a sentence.
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Just bodychecking this thread to the top.
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xitalinda, you forgot about no nc-17. is that still enforced? and about the fanfic challenges that got through ruth... um... i cant think of anything else. hugs
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posted August 18, 2001 12:08 xitalinda, you forgot about no nc-17. is that still enforced? and about the fanfic challenges that got through ruth... um... i cant think of anything else. hugsIP: LoggedxitaMs. ModeratorFantastico
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Fantastico posted August 18, 2001 12:14
I think I remember that with the NC-17, we were going to trust that most people would use judgement. Most people have shown it so far in that sex isn't forbidden from the board. I trust that people will know if the fic is too graphic. In that case, a link to somewhere else or a submission to obsidian would be good.
Yes, the fanfic challenges should go through Ruth to avoid a glut of challenges.
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posted August 18, 2001 12:14 I think I remember that with the NC-17, we were going to trust that most people would use judgement. Most people have shown it so far in that sex isn't forbidden from the board. I trust that people will know if the fic is too graphic. In that case, a link to somewhere else or a submission to obsidian would be good.Yes, the fanfic challenges should go through Ruth to avoid a glut of challenges.
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Oh god yes, challenge me please....I'm taking a break from fic challenges for a while though to concentrate on my own fic. If you feel that this is just too much and you can't cope, email me, heh heh heh...
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Xita I don't get what you mean by "a submission to obsidian would be good" please forgive my ignorance but is this somewhere else to post NC17 fic?
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posted August 18, 2001 14:44 Xita I don't get what you mean by "a submission to obsidian would be good" please forgive my ignorance but is this somewhere else to post NC17 fic?[This message has been edited by Bunny (edited August 18, 2001).]
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Fantastico posted August 18, 2001 14:52
Yeah obsidian is a place to submit very, very naughty fic. I mean I think a little sex here is good and like I said I trust people's judgement. I don't want the hosts to tell me I am breaking terms of service if I post something very very very very naughty. So you know nc-17 is actually acceptable for the board, but if it is XXX(this basically in movies means porno, so very very graphic) then off board hosting, either through obsidian or your own host, posted with warning and a link is good enough for me.
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posted August 18, 2001 14:52 Yeah obsidian is a place to submit very, very naughty fic. I mean I think a little sex here is good and like I said I trust people's judgement. I don't want the hosts to tell me I am breaking terms of service if I post something very very very very naughty. So you know nc-17 is actually acceptable for the board, but if it is XXX(this basically in movies means porno, so very very graphic) then off board hosting, either through obsidian or your own host, posted with warning and a link is good enough for me.IP: LoggedxitaMs. ModeratorFantastico
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Fantastico posted October 07, 2001 23:25
I want to bump this to stress, only willow/tara fiction on the board. I know that many of you have other fictions you would like to share with the kitties, but they should not be posted on the board. It might seem narrow, but it is the way I can keep the focus on the board. There are plenty of other places that take any kind of fiction, if you are unsure about where, you can email me: xita@xita.org
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posted October 07, 2001 23:25 I want to bump this to stress, only willow/tara fiction on the board. I know that many of you have other fictions you would like to share with the kitties, but they should not be posted on the board. It might seem narrow, but it is the way I can keep the focus on the board. There are plenty of other places that take any kind of fiction, if you are unsure about where, you can email me: xita@xita.org[This message has been edited by xita (edited October 07, 2001).]
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Fantastico posted October 19, 2001 00:12
Any off topic threads should be posted as posts in the daily thread at the kitten.
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Fantastico posted November 25, 2001 04:20
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i may have been hallucinating but i thought Chance's fic was closed due to the fact willow and faith kissed and stuff. was that the reason? it was a spell and we know willow and tara HAVE to end up together cant we at least play with the angst? like that Anya/Tara fic? or do all fics have to be straight up W/T? haha no pun intended. i know we've discussed this before but i forgot and i'm sick and tired and i've had a long day at work.
xita, you have my permission (not that you need it) to delete this if you think this question is innapropriate. just email me an answer, love.
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posted December 01, 2001 01:28 i may have been hallucinating but i thought Chance's fic was closed due to the fact willow and faith kissed and stuff. was that the reason? it was a spell and we know willow and tara HAVE to end up together cant we at least play with the angst? like that Anya/Tara fic? or do all fics have to be straight up W/T? haha no pun intended. i know we've discussed this before but i forgot and i'm sick and tired and i've had a long day at work.xita, you have my permission (not that you need it) to delete this if you think this question is innapropriate. just email me an answer, love. IP: LoggedxitaMs. Moderator
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Fantastico posted December 01, 2001 02:21
No, I am having issues. It's fine, I want things to be open. I definitely have a commitment to this being a a w/t fic board only. I know a lot of people want to post their fic that isn't w/t here, but I never want to see w/t fic buried in a ton of other fic.
The other issue is w/ other people or t/ other people. If it is spell indunced or something like that, I am open to it. However, up to a point. I don't really want to read very graphic stuff with w or t with other people. I don't want to read long chapters on it. I think then it becomes a w/other fic or t/other fic instead of a w/t fic. Where does one draw the line? Then if that's allowed then where does it end... Would a w/xander fic be allowed because well heck they end up together at the end... and meantime there are graphic w/xander scenes in the middle? I don't want to be the one judging where it begins and where it ends.
THe thing with chance's fic is that I hadn't emailed her and I thought I should before I closed it. Also because this fic was around before I made the FAQ and it's kinda far into it.
Anyway, to avoid certain things getting posted, instead of me deciding which ones work, I thought I should like not allow anything that goes against that... I don't know what else to do.
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posted December 01, 2001 02:21 No, I am having issues. It's fine, I want things to be open. I definitely have a commitment to this being a a w/t fic board only. I know a lot of people want to post their fic that isn't w/t here, but I never want to see w/t fic buried in a ton of other fic.The other issue is w/ other people or t/ other people. If it is spell indunced or something like that, I am open to it. However, up to a point. I don't really want to read very graphic stuff with w or t with other people. I don't want to read long chapters on it. I think then it becomes a w/other fic or t/other fic instead of a w/t fic. Where does one draw the line? Then if that's allowed then where does it end... Would a w/xander fic be allowed because well heck they end up together at the end... and meantime there are graphic w/xander scenes in the middle? I don't want to be the one judging where it begins and where it ends.
THe thing with chance's fic is that I hadn't emailed her and I thought I should before I closed it. Also because this fic was around before I made the FAQ and it's kinda far into it.
Anyway, to avoid certain things getting posted, instead of me deciding which ones work, I thought I should like not allow anything that goes against that... I don't know what else to do.
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There are plenty of places where fics can be posted. I love it that the fic on this board is solely about W/T, because that is all I am interested in. That is just my personal preference, but I do not read W/anybodyelseunderanycircumstance and T/anybodyelseunderanycircumstance in other places. I like that here I do not have to watch out that fics contain those type of pairings. Indeed, what if someone decides to write a story where Willow or Tara are under the influence of a spell and make out with Xander? I do not want to read it. No matter how well written or that W/T and will end up together. I would not read it elsewhere, I really do not want to read it here, and I cannot ignore it if I do read it here. I do not like replying in a negative way, but I feel very strongly about this.
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posted December 01, 2001 02:46 There are plenty of places where fics can be posted. I love it that the fic on this board is solely about W/T, because that is all I am interested in. That is just my personal preference, but I do not read W/anybodyelseunderanycircumstance and T/anybodyelseunderanycircumstance in other places. I like that here I do not have to watch out that fics contain those type of pairings. Indeed, what if someone decides to write a story where Willow or Tara are under the influence of a spell and make out with Xander? I do not want to read it. No matter how well written or that W/T and will end up together. I would not read it elsewhere, I really do not want to read it here, and I cannot ignore it if I do read it here. I do not like replying in a negative way, but I feel very strongly about this. IP: LoggedRaneBig Pineapple Posts: 1077
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No, I am having issues. It's fine, I want things to be open. I definitely have a commitment to this being a a w/t fic board only. I know a lot of people want to post their fic that isn't w/t here, but I never want to see w/t fic buried in a ton of other fic.I don't really want to read very graphic stuff with w or t with other people. I don't want to read long chapters on it. I think then it becomes a w/other fic or t/other fic instead of a w/t fic. Where does one draw the line? Then if that's allowed then where does it end...
i wholeheartedly agree, xita. it's hard to draw a line anytime. i know i have issues with other w/t fic places where just because there s a w/t scene they think it's W/T related and it soooo isn't. i dont like reading them either, garfield.
i think all of us that post on the board, oldies at least, know that W/T is the main focus but others may not. however, i dont mind fics that have other characters in the forefront as well but not *with* W or T. or if they are it best end with W/T cause you know, WT4EVA! lol... i'm such a dork i crack myself up.
it's great to be able to discuss this openly. that's what makes this place so special.
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posted December 01, 2001 03:06quote:
Originally posted by xita:
No, I am having issues. It's fine, I want things to be open. I definitely have a commitment to this being a a w/t fic board only. I know a lot of people want to post their fic that isn't w/t here, but I never want to see w/t fic buried in a ton of other fic.I don't really want to read very graphic stuff with w or t with other people. I don't want to read long chapters on it. I think then it becomes a w/other fic or t/other fic instead of a w/t fic. Where does one draw the line? Then if that's allowed then where does it end...
i wholeheartedly agree, xita. it's hard to draw a line anytime. i know i have issues with other w/t fic places where just because there s a w/t scene they think it's W/T related and it soooo isn't. i dont like reading them either, garfield.
i think all of us that post on the board, oldies at least, know that W/T is the main focus but others may not. however, i dont mind fics that have other characters in the forefront as well but not *with* W or T. or if they are it best end with W/T cause you know, WT4EVA! lol... i'm such a dork i crack myself up.
it's great to be able to discuss this openly. that's what makes this place so special.
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Registered: Jan 2001 posted December 01, 2001 03:18
Bless you Rane
I need to pay attention to people's sigs more often. Where did that line come from? And if that is from a S6 ep or Triangle I have just disgraced myself forever.
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posted December 01, 2001 03:18 Bless you RaneI need to pay attention to people's sigs more often. Where did that line come from? And if that is from a S6 ep or Triangle I have just disgraced myself forever. IP: LoggedxitaMs. Moderator
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Fantastico posted December 01, 2001 03:35
Oh yeah I don't mind fics that are about lots of characters with w/t being there together throughtout but not the focus.. necessarily.. i mean if the fic is good. I like reading other characters, as long as w/t are there throughout.. you know?
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posted December 01, 2001 03:35 Oh yeah I don't mind fics that are about lots of characters with w/t being there together throughtout but not the focus.. necessarily.. i mean if the fic is good. I like reading other characters, as long as w/t are there throughout.. you know?IP: LoggedBrynnFloating Rose Posts: 38
Registered: Sep 2001 posted December 01, 2001 07:54
I completely agree with the policy and am glad to see it enforced. I come here to read W/T fic only.
However, I did question the closing of Chance's fic because it isn't really about W/T with someone else.
While I don't enjoy W/T with anyone else I see a difference when a spell or something is causing the issue ... the writer is giving us angst. I hate angst, but some of those writers love it!
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posted December 01, 2001 07:54 I completely agree with the policy and am glad to see it enforced. I come here to read W/T fic only.However, I did question the closing of Chance's fic because it isn't really about W/T with someone else.
While I don't enjoy W/T with anyone else I see a difference when a spell or something is causing the issue ... the writer is giving us angst. I hate angst, but some of those writers love it!
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Registered: Jan 2001 posted December 01, 2001 11:28
I see that too Brynn, but I really really could not stand it if the writer were to give me angst by having her make out with say Xander or any other nice dude there may have been on Buffy in the past. No matter if it is spell induced.
The fact that in this case it is Faith doesn't matter actually. Hmm, my point is that this way you could pair either of them with any character, even not so nice ones. It will be very hard to draw the line.
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posted December 01, 2001 11:28 I see that too Brynn, but I really really could not stand it if the writer were to give me angst by having her make out with say Xander or any other nice dude there may have been on Buffy in the past. No matter if it is spell induced.The fact that in this case it is Faith doesn't matter actually. Hmm, my point is that this way you could pair either of them with any character, even not so nice ones. It will be very hard to draw the line.
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Registered: Nov 2000 posted December 01, 2001 11:35
I totally agree with what xita and Garfield said, I don't want to read anything that pairs Willow or Tara with anyone else, why would I?...I'm a W/T shipper and this is a W/T board, to be honest I've never understood why anyone who says they are W/T shippers would even write a fic with Willow or Tara with anyone else, and being under a spell doesn’t make it ok either, but hey, that’s just me, I only enjoy W/T with each other, I’m such a freak.
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posted December 01, 2001 11:35 I totally agree with what xita and Garfield said, I don't want to read anything that pairs Willow or Tara with anyone else, why would I?...I'm a W/T shipper and this is a W/T board, to be honest I've never understood why anyone who says they are W/T shippers would even write a fic with Willow or Tara with anyone else, and being under a spell doesn’t make it ok either, but hey, that’s just me, I only enjoy W/T with each other, I’m such a freak.IP: LoggedWiccagrrlGay Now! Posts: 1303
Registered: Sep 2000 posted December 01, 2001 12:14
Well, it's probably not much of an issue for me, cause I doubt I'll be posting any fic that has Willow or Tara with someone else, but I can definitely see circumstances where a scene or two could be used for angst or testing the 'ship, and W/T are still the focus and still end up together. I don't think it necessarilly makes the writer less committed to W/T, or less of a 'shipper. I can understand the policy and not wanting to have to play with where that line is. But I think it's a little unfair to say that if someone entertains the idea of W/T being with anyone else, ever, under any circumstances, they aren't a *real* W/T 'shipper. I just don't think it's that black and white.
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posted December 01, 2001 12:14 Well, it's probably not much of an issue for me, cause I doubt I'll be posting any fic that has Willow or Tara with someone else, but I can definitely see circumstances where a scene or two could be used for angst or testing the 'ship, and W/T are still the focus and still end up together. I don't think it necessarilly makes the writer less committed to W/T, or less of a 'shipper. I can understand the policy and not wanting to have to play with where that line is. But I think it's a little unfair to say that if someone entertains the idea of W/T being with anyone else, ever, under any circumstances, they aren't a *real* W/T 'shipper. I just don't think it's that black and white.IP: LoggedDr.GStrong like an Amazon Posts: 3497
Registered: Jan 2001 posted December 01, 2001 12:21
No one is saying that is the case. I am not, but like Warduke I still do not understand how someone could write a make out scene between W or T and someone else. Angst is one thing, having them make out with someone else is another. However that does not mean I doubt their love or commitment to W/T, I just do not understand it, and I do not want to read it. Again the big problem is where to draw the line.
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posted December 01, 2001 12:21 No one is saying that is the case. I am not, but like Warduke I still do not understand how someone could write a make out scene between W or T and someone else. Angst is one thing, having them make out with someone else is another. However that does not mean I doubt their love or commitment to W/T, I just do not understand it, and I do not want to read it. Again the big problem is where to draw the line. IP: LoggedWardukeStrong like an Amazon Posts: 2126
Registered: Nov 2000 posted December 01, 2001 12:23
Well Wiccagrrl for me, it really is that black and white, being a shipper, W/T in this case of course, means that you love a W/T together, not with anyone else, if you like them with anyone else, then your not a real shipper IMO, you may like them but if you loved them, ship them, then why would you want to see them with anyone else?
Again, this is just my personal opinion of what the word shipper means.
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posted December 01, 2001 12:23 Well Wiccagrrl for me, it really is that black and white, being a shipper, W/T in this case of course, means that you love a W/T together, not with anyone else, if you like them with anyone else, then your not a real shipper IMO, you may like them but if you loved them, ship them, then why would you want to see them with anyone else?Again, this is just my personal opinion of what the word shipper means.
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Registered: Sep 2001 posted December 01, 2001 12:32
I agree with you wiccagirl. I am a total Willow/Tara shipper -- heck I don't pay attention to any other couple on Buffy - or any other show.
And no I have no need to read stories having either of them with someone else. When I see those stories at the WillTara list I stop reading.
I, however, see the distinction between a story about Willow or Tara hooking up with someone else by choice and hurting the other. And a writer providing a little angst and having them tempted by someone else because of a spell or other hellmouthy influences -- stuff beyond their control.
"Never the Twain" is a great fic -- but Tara was with Harmony when it started and Willow was still with Oz -- does this mean the story has no place on this list? W/T eventually united -- giving us shippers the desired end result.
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posted December 01, 2001 12:32 I agree with you wiccagirl. I am a total Willow/Tara shipper -- heck I don't pay attention to any other couple on Buffy - or any other show.And no I have no need to read stories having either of them with someone else. When I see those stories at the WillTara list I stop reading.
I, however, see the distinction between a story about Willow or Tara hooking up with someone else by choice and hurting the other. And a writer providing a little angst and having them tempted by someone else because of a spell or other hellmouthy influences -- stuff beyond their control.
"Never the Twain" is a great fic -- but Tara was with Harmony when it started and Willow was still with Oz -- does this mean the story has no place on this list? W/T eventually united -- giving us shippers the desired end result.
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Registered: Sep 2000 posted December 01, 2001 12:37
I dunno, because dramatically maybe it serves a purpose? I do think a lot depends on how it's handled and why it's there, and is it important to the storyline or is it just an excuse to get Willow or Tara in bed with someone else (which does kinda go against the 'shipper idea, but anyway). Personally, I don't have any particular desire to see W/T with *anyone* else. But I wouldn't automatically assume that a writer who had a scene in there that fit, that furthered the story, wasn't a *real* shipper because of that, that it necessarilly meant they *weren't* committed to or shipping for W/T, especially if the scene or situation is used to strengthen our girls, to test the 'ship in order to show how strong it really is. JMO.
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posted December 01, 2001 12:37 I dunno, because dramatically maybe it serves a purpose? I do think a lot depends on how it's handled and why it's there, and is it important to the storyline or is it just an excuse to get Willow or Tara in bed with someone else (which does kinda go against the 'shipper idea, but anyway). Personally, I don't have any particular desire to see W/T with *anyone* else. But I wouldn't automatically assume that a writer who had a scene in there that fit, that furthered the story, wasn't a *real* shipper because of that, that it necessarilly meant they *weren't* committed to or shipping for W/T, especially if the scene or situation is used to strengthen our girls, to test the 'ship in order to show how strong it really is. JMO.IP: LoggedaladdinFloating Rose Posts: 48
Registered: Nov 2001 posted December 01, 2001 12:38
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Originally posted by Dr.G:
No one is saying that is the case. I am not, but like Warduke I still do not understand how someone could write a make out scene between W or T and someone else. Angst is one thing, having them make out with someone else is another. However that does not mean I doubt their love or commitment to W/T, I just do not understand it, and I do not want to read it. Again the big problem is where to draw the line.
I don't agree totally with you. Like in every real relationship, W and T could end in a situation where they make out/sleep with somebody else, especially in a different Buffyverse...since no relationship guarantees eternal fidelity.
As long as it's just a smaller chapter in a longer storyline which is focused on Willow and Tara as a couple and on preserving their relationship, I think this is OK.
For example, in Chance's fic, it works perfectly. And I'm sure there will be a solution according to the Kitten-Board guidelines.
What I wouldn't like to see here is a story about e.g. Willow having an affair with somebody while still being Tara's girlfriend...stuff like that doesn't belong here and BTW, it's kinda unrealistic. What I can imagine is an one-night-stand of one of the characters since this is a thing, that can happen to every couple...it always depends on how it's written.
Angst is in my opinion a good thing and an essential part of a lot of fan fiction...but angst can also include a make-out scene with a third person as long as it fits into the whole concept.
Writing fan fics is also toying with the characters and exploring possibilities, added together under the big arc of W/T goodness. Involving a third character doesn't mean, that the author loves Willow and Tara less, he or she just uses a different perspective on their relationship.
Concerning fics like WebWarlock's, I'd suggest if there are doubts on sides of the mods about if it's off-topic, they should ask the author for further information about the story development before closing the thread to preserve as much open-mindedness as possible.
Wow, what a sentence.
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posted December 01, 2001 12:38quote:
Originally posted by Dr.G:
No one is saying that is the case. I am not, but like Warduke I still do not understand how someone could write a make out scene between W or T and someone else. Angst is one thing, having them make out with someone else is another. However that does not mean I doubt their love or commitment to W/T, I just do not understand it, and I do not want to read it. Again the big problem is where to draw the line.
I don't agree totally with you. Like in every real relationship, W and T could end in a situation where they make out/sleep with somebody else, especially in a different Buffyverse...since no relationship guarantees eternal fidelity.
As long as it's just a smaller chapter in a longer storyline which is focused on Willow and Tara as a couple and on preserving their relationship, I think this is OK.
For example, in Chance's fic, it works perfectly. And I'm sure there will be a solution according to the Kitten-Board guidelines.
What I wouldn't like to see here is a story about e.g. Willow having an affair with somebody while still being Tara's girlfriend...stuff like that doesn't belong here and BTW, it's kinda unrealistic. What I can imagine is an one-night-stand of one of the characters since this is a thing, that can happen to every couple...it always depends on how it's written.
Angst is in my opinion a good thing and an essential part of a lot of fan fiction...but angst can also include a make-out scene with a third person as long as it fits into the whole concept.
Writing fan fics is also toying with the characters and exploring possibilities, added together under the big arc of W/T goodness. Involving a third character doesn't mean, that the author loves Willow and Tara less, he or she just uses a different perspective on their relationship.
Concerning fics like WebWarlock's, I'd suggest if there are doubts on sides of the mods about if it's off-topic, they should ask the author for further information about the story development before closing the thread to preserve as much open-mindedness as possible.
Wow, what a sentence.
Ala