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Re: On Second Thought -- Parts 1 and 2

Postby tommo » Sat Oct 26, 2002 7:51 am

This was recommended to me and it's my own fault that it took me so long to get around to reading it. However, I'm very glad that I did. It's an interesting premise that you take for the story; I have always wondered what it would be like if Willow didn't initially choose Tara in NMR, and how she would cope if Oz stayed around.



The tension and the wanting in the first chapter was just amazing. You really captured Willow's confusion and her essential characterisation there, and I'm so grateful for that. All her little internalisation of how much she wanted Tara was at odds with her verbal censorship. That contrast was just lovely to read; painful and yet at the same time, oddly sweet and reaffirming. Because she really does love Tara and being able to read that desperation of wanting and total submission to that love was very touching, at least for me. :)



Your second chapter was delightful. I like the way you calmly interject humour and friendship into the intensity of what you're writing. It provides a very real backdrop to the almost ethereal nature of the love that Willow and Tara have. And I was incredibly hurt when Willow saw Tara with that other woman; the scene in the dorm room that followed was just so real to me. And although I know probably everyone was nodding and agreeing with Willow's name calling of Chris; I'm actually thankful to her for helping Willow to take that essential and much-needed step forward.



And then, of course, there's the sex. I'm afraid I'm a bit of a sex-snob. I'm picky about what I like and what I don't. As far as Willow and Tara goes, it's never just smut. Never. If it is, then it's readable, but you know, it never really elicits any real reaction in me. I'm so very pleased that you consolidated the quality of your style in Chapter One by writing a love scene that made my stomach go in all sorts of directions, heh. My personal reaction to that was surprising and wonderful and, I suspect, exactly what you were aiming for. And you succeeded. It was a beautiful expression of love; the language flowed and the imagery was perfect. You're not afraid to use words to indicate exactly what you mean and that's always the step a true writer takes. No dulling metaphors here; just plain talking surrounded by a communication of such intensity that it fair took my breath away. I'm impressed by the consistency of such a long chapter and by the palpable feeling you created between our two girls. That's so very hard to do, to walk the fine line between reality and absurdity, and not many writers can do that convincingly in the sex scenes that they create.



So, I'm left adrift on that sea of happy contentment, heh heh, much like Willow and Tara.



And yes, I haven't forgotten that Oz walked in and saw them together at the end of your chapter, but I also know that Willow's not about to throw this perfect moment away for him. And that confidence is something I don't often find in fic these days.



Thank you so much. I really do look forward to reading more of this beautiful piece. :)



You exquisite little tart!" ~ Diana Letharby

tommo
 


Re: On Second Thought -- Parts 1 and 2

Postby Big Dummy » Sat Oct 26, 2002 6:27 pm

I wish I could say something that hasn't already been said about this fic, but, y'know, everyone else has summed it up so well. Your writing is incredibly expressive. It made me feel. Cheesy, I know, but it did. I just want to thank you for being able to create something this wonderful. It does the Fic-slut in me good.

Big Dummy
 


On Second Thought: Part 3 (and responses to kind Kittens)

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Sat Oct 26, 2002 10:24 pm

Responses and Part III

Kittens—As ever, you give the most amazing feedback. I feel so appreciative of your time and thoughtfulness. One little thought on logistics: I’m still mastering EZ code, and I fear that at times there won’t be the correct spacing b/w words, esp. if I use bold and italics w/in the same sentence. Still working out the kinks, and let’s face it—as kinkiness goes, it’s not as exciting as it could be, but I’ll take it.

A few responses before the next installment:
]lipkandy—Glad to hear the migraine’s getting better. I suspect you and I will end up cross-gushing for some time to come, eh? Thanks for your feedback.
]an—I’m glad you like the imagery. Those characters, as they’ve been given to us, are so vivid that writing them really is fun. Thanks for the response.
]Hush30—Wow—I’m honored that you’d want me working with Christopher Golden on a W/T novel. You know, I’d be glad to, especially if Amber Benson were a part of the project and stopped by frequently to give her input and you know, now that I think about it, it really would make sense for us to spend LOTS of time together while the project was in the works, you know, and…OK, stopping now. Thanks for your great feedback!
]Slowontheuptake: What a great name! I’ll try to keep the updates coming at such a rate as to preclude any more self-flagellation. (Not that there’s anything wrong with that…)
]Amberbenson…4eva—yeah, I wondered if a lot of people might get so focused on the love-making that Oz’s appearance was almost (pardon the expression) anti-climactic. Hope you like where it goes.
]Ruth—Wow…I believe the whole Mountain/Mohammed idea is in play here…I’ve read a lot of your work ("Final Exam" had me spell-bound and literally up all night!) and receiving feedback from you, especially of such a thoughtful, detailed variety, is truly incredible. Thank you for taking the time to write out your thoughts. I definitely see Willow as struggling so mightily to do what she believes she should, what’s "best" (esp. as it concerns giving to other people) in the face of incredibly strong emotions and desires. She has one of the most potent mixtures of nobility and willfulness that I’ve seen outside of the written word. And nice pick-up (so to speak) about Chris…interestingly, there was nothing we knew about her except (a) some physical details and (b) the fact that she desired Tara. The latter, though, was enough to set off considerable antipathy, b/c we all want our girls together so badly. But you’re right—she served an invaluable role as a catalyst, helping Willow see that she’s not the only one with a choice in this matter. Thank you again for your kind and thoughtful words. Any feedback you give—including, of course, the critical kind—is most definitely appreciated.

And now…On with our story.



On Second Thought

Premise: Way the heck back in S4, Willow makes a difficult choice
Disclaimer: Joss and Mutant Enemy own these lovely creatures. Like all of you, I would gladly spirit them away if I could.
Rating: NC-17
Spoilers: Up to the end of "New Moon Rising"
Distribution: But of course…Please give credit and disclaimer. Thanks.
Feedback: I’d definitely appreciate it.

Summary: Willow initially chose Oz, in no small part b/c she believed he needed her more. The following week, however, had been excruciating—she hadn’t realized the full extent of her connection and draw to Tara until she gave it up. They met for coffee and longing glances. Willow ran into Tara at the Bronze, only to find Tara being, shall we say, appreciated by another woman. Willow fled, Tara followed, Big Time Sensuality (to quote Bjork) ensued. They fell asleep contentedly in each other’s arms. Willow awoke to the sound of someone entering the room—it’s Oz, stopping by on an ill-advised whim. He has issues with what he sees—issues of the hirsute, transformative variety.

Part III

Good to be back in town, even if it was 4am. Nice gig—Devon had the IQ of a George Bush Pez dispenser, but the boy could sing. Long drive back but worth it. Missing her big-time. He knew he was lucky. Knew it could have gone the other way, and he’d have had no one to blame but himself. Aching, suddenly—aching to see her, just to kiss her good night and try to find some new way to thank her. A quick stop-in; no intentions or expectations. Strong feelings—always caught him by surprise, but so good. Willow. Need to see her.

"Oh God, Oz. Oz, I’m so sorry. Please—"

Door’s unlocked. Guess there’s a first for everything. Willow’s scent—like nothing in the world. But— More here, too; another one. He knew that scent. No; no, just friends. Visiting.

"Oz, please don’t. Don’t change; you can stop this—"

But that particular scent—Willow, aroused and then sated. He knew it, but it had never been so strong. Not with him.

"Oz, you’ve stopped it before. Please, Oz, fight it—"

Oh, God, no…No, she—his Willow, with…with her. Everything turning, red and hot inside. Thoughts, blinking and slowing…Fury, frenzy—changing. No stopping.

"Oz, it’s not her fault; it’s me—I did this. Please don’t hurt her, Oz. Oh God, please don’t hurt her—"

And she begs for the other one’s life. That’s all that matters to her. She begs him to spare the one she loves. The one she…

Even as he spoke, his Other howled from deep inside and severed any voice of restraint. Oz receded to utter oblivion; the Other became the Only.

~~~~~

Tara had first stirred at the sound of Willow’s groggy voice. When that voice suddenly thinned, became cut-glass clear with terror, she pulled herself abruptly to wakefulness. Even before her eyes adjusted to the dark, she knew there was someone else in the room.

But not a person…or no longer a person, perhaps.

She knew that form. She knew that changing and the rage that fueled it. She knew what he meant to do, because he had meant to do it before. But that time Willow had been safe, studying unawares. Now he would take Willow, too.

No. He wouldn’t. She wouldn’t let him.

~~~~~

For Willow, the spasm of sorrow that she felt for Oz was eclipsed almost immediately by the knowledge of what would happen. He would kill them both, in his rage and despair. And because she was Willow; because her capacity to love so far exceeded what most people could understand, her next thought was to protect Tara, at any cost.

"…don’t hurt her, Oz. Oh God, please don’t hurt her." Maybe she could fight him off long enough to let Tara get out the door, maybe even get some help.

She could feel Tara moving to sit beside her, leaving the meager protection of her own small frame to stare openly, almost defiantly, at the creature that emerged before them.

"Tara—Baby, when he attacks, he’ll focus on one thing, at least at first." Willow’s voice was a strained hiss. "I want you to—"

The straining, shifting features trembled slightly, eyes flaring briefly.

He hears you. Tara’s voice came from within her own mind.

Tara? Is that you? Willow’s cocked eyebrow provided the punctuation mark to her inner query. Eyes never leaving the creature in front of her, she saw that the transformation was almost complete, and tried desperately to assemble all the pieces of information into some mosaic that didn’t include horrific bloodshed.

Yes. I think we can get out; both of us, OK?

Tara, please…If anything happens to you—

Nothing’s going to happen to either of us.

OK. I just—Wow…I can’t believe we’re speaking all telepathic-like, you know? Because I’ve always wondered—

Willow—Cujo, 12 o’clock. Big dog. Unhappy. Focus.

The claws had fully emerged, the jaw was now grotesquely extended; there was no evidence of the gentle musician who had given Willow a witch Pez last year. She heard a deep rumble from within its throat and watched as its head wrenched back one final time before it stilled, fixing them both with a yellowish leer.

Think of safety, Willow; think of protection. Think of the greatest safety you’ve ever known; some moment when you knew that all of the forces of all bad things couldn’t touch you. Hold my hand, and remember that moment.

What will you do?

I’m in charge of puppy training.

Tara, no! Not if it means—

I told you—we’re both getting out of here. Please, Willow—trust me.

The words rippled an echo inside of her, and Willow found herself linking her fingers with Tara’s and closing her eyes. Closing her eyes, and thinking of trust, and safety.

It wasn’t a mother’s lap that she remembered, nor was it a father’s warm embrace after a scary dream. It wasn’t Buffy saving yet another day; it wasn’t Giles looking at her with parental reassurance.

***I’d have to be your anchor; you know, keep you on this plane…
I trust you.***

She saw herself deep within the Nether Realm, Ayala granting her access but waiting, hoping to keep Willow there for her own. It could have happened so easily…If Tara had faltered even once, lost concentration; lost Willow within her own mind. But she hadn’t. She had breathed for Willow, held on for Willow. Would unthinkingly have traded herself for Willow had Ayala demanded it. In a short lifetime that had known more blinding terror, seen more cruelty and capricious fate than most people could even envision, it was one moment when she could so easily have been lost that she remembered as her safest. Because of Tara.

When she opened her eyes, her vision was dimmed by a golden shimmering that seemed to hover around her. She knew she was in danger, and yet she felt almost preternaturally calm—even when her eyes adjusted and she saw that Tara was kneeling between Oz and herself; one hand remaining linked with Willow’s, and the other extending toward the wolf.

Some dim part of her brain wanted to scream; wanted to break the connection and wrest herself out of this complacency, but she felt too peaceful. It was one step short of sluggish; it was the most perfect feeling of well-being she had ever known.

And so she watched with a loving fascination as Tara sank to her knees, hand extended, and slowly arched her head back and offered her throat.

This couldn’t be. She had to stop it; Tara had said they would both make it out. But here was Tara, naked, unprotected; shielding her and baring her throat to be taken. It was a gesture of ultimate submission, and yet strangely, it held no weakness. If anything, there was an almost heedless courage about it.

The wolf darted two steps closer, tongue now lolling out of its mouth in an obscene picture of hunger.

Willow couldn’t move. Even while one part of her mind screamed out with despair and anguish, the rest of her being sat in abject calm and peace. All she could do was hold Tara’s hand, and if Oz came after her next, then so be it…But she wouldn’t let go of Tara’s hand.. She would never let go, just as Tara had refused to let Willow slip away in the Nether Realm. Willow would hold her until her own breath was taken from her.

Through the haze, she watched the surreal drama in front of her—the most primitive, bestial creature she had ever encountered, hovering over the most gentle, wise being to grace her life. Her Tara. This woman had chosen Willow just as surely as Willow had chosen her, and the knowledge edged its way insistently into her awareness. This woman had chosen her, and now chose to save her.

It was that knowledge that finally began to push through the film that seemed to cover and shield her. She had to move, had to do something—

Summoning up all of her force of will, she had begun to unfold her legs from under her when she was stopped by the picture in front of her.

The wolf halted, seemingly confused; and then it slunk back, away from Tara. It shook its head—once, and then again. Still Tara remained, unmoving, throat proferred. The wolf edged forward again, hesitantly this time, and growled angrily. It brought its leering face close to Tara’s, lips pulling back in a grotesque grin, teeth bared, prepared to rip and sever. And still Tara sat, in perfect quietude, as though here only in body, her mind far away in some idyllic place. But…her body—she’s so defenseless. Please, goddess, I can’t lose her. The wolf sniffed, tentatively, mouth only a hair’s breadth from Tara’s slender throat. But then it shook its head again, and edged back once more. It stared hungrily at Tara’s pale, naked form; suddenly, a low whine echoed plaintively from its own throat. Willow thought that the sound held almost infinite bewilderment, and grief.

Willow thought that an hour must have passed, with the three of them frozen like that, although she would later realize that it could only have been a matter of seconds. Finally, a last howl ripped from its heart; and then it turned, and hurled itself out the door and down the hallway. Willow dimly heard the sound of glass breaking as the wolf threw itself out of the window.

Only then did Tara relax her pose. Her hand dropped, with a slight tremble, and her head spun to face Willow, who had sunk onto the floor beside her.

"Dammit, Tara," Willow managed, through her tears. "You could’ve been—I could have lost you."

"Baby, no…No, I knew that if you were anchored to a safe place, and I was anchored to you—"

"If you were anchored to me?! You were half anchored to me, and half anchored to a werewolf! What in the goddess’ name were you doing? You weren’t going to let me play hero, but you can just slip me a mental Mickey and trundle off to—"

"You think that’s what it was? You think I put you to ‘sleep’ so I could rescue the fair maiden? Not that you aren’t fair, of course…But I needed you to be in a safe place, mentally, so that we could be safe. I knew about a soothing spell, chanted within the person’s own mind. But it only works if the creature who threatens you feels no threat from you. Think, Willow; there really wasn’t enough time to give you a lesson and say, ‘Now—you try it.’"

Willow looked up at Tara, who appeared to glisten and dance through her tears.

"Oh, God, Tara…If I had lost you—I can’t even imagine…It would just be the stupidest, worst thing in the world for you to be taken away from me. The powers that be would have to be total idiots to let you die."

"It’s OK, Baby. We’re both OK. We’re going to have some major emotional clean-up to do tomorrow, but right now—we’re safe, we’re together, and did I mention we’re safe?"

Willow finally let herself breathe with something approximating normality. She looked up, a tiny half-smile curving across her lips. "Hey—Nice job on the puppy training."

Tara grinned with what looked suspiciously like pride. "Well, at least he didn’t go on the rug."

To be continued





AntigoneUnbound
 


amazing update!

Postby Sleek » Sat Oct 26, 2002 10:52 pm

Gripping...



I didn't know I was as nervous as Willow until werewolf Oz fled the room.



The picture of Tara vulnerable but calm and a menacing beast ready to pounce on her was very clear...amazing!



i am developing a particular craving for this fic. (in other words...more please!)

:bounce



much appreciation,

Sleek :grin

Sleek
 


Re: amazing update!

Postby The Rose24 » Sat Oct 26, 2002 11:23 pm

Phew! Nerve-wracking.



I am glad they are okay, but Willow is going to have some explaining to do.

Tara: My heart doesn't stutter.


Tara: Willow, I got so lost.

Willow: I found you. I will always find you.




Willow: Hi, um Tara. I was wondering maybe you want to go out some time for coffee? food? Kisses and gay love?

The Rose24
 


Re: amazing update!

Postby Cindipitude » Sat Oct 26, 2002 11:39 pm

Wow....

Tara in a pose of absolute submission...and the wolf coming so close, so many times. Absolutely nail biting.

The submissive pose speaking to the wolf, and the intent of the pose speaking to Oz, with both seeming to say "I love her enough to give my life for hers, and she would do the same for me."

You can't fight that kind of love, as painful as it must be for Oz. Sensing Willow's scent in the air, and the fact that she was more sated with Tara than she had ever been with him..

Wow.

No amount of words could be as honest as that. He loves her, he knows how lucky he is to have her, and now he knows that it can never be. Willow never can, and never will love him as much as she loves Tara.

I was so relieved that the girls were ok and without a scratch on them, but a little worried for Oz after the mention of the broken window. Buffy and Willow's dorm wasn't on the ground floor, was it?

Sorry to be so fragmented, fantastic update:)

Cindipitude
 


Re: amazing update!

Postby The Inward Sea » Sat Oct 26, 2002 11:50 pm

Just this: thank you.



You're doing a lot making this painful time for us Kittens bearable with your great writing of this beautiful story.



Sea



Edited by: The Inward Sea at: 10/26/02 9:52:50 pm
The Inward Sea
 


Re: On Second Thought: Part 3 (and responses to kind Kittens

Postby VampNo12 » Sun Oct 27, 2002 12:09 am

Wow AntigoneUnbound, I felt like I was holding my breathe this entire update, this part was quite riveting! Poor Oz I did feel for him, so excited to see Willow and him thinking, ("And she begs for the others life. That's all that matters to her. She begs him to spare the one she loves. The one she...") captured the moment so well. Or in words, that he is no longer her's/she belongs to someone else (ie the gut-wrenching realization of "finality", that is more than just simply finding her in bed with Tara).



Tara baring her throat, wow, such an intense moment between the three, and loved the lines ("All she could do was hold Tara's hand, and Oz came after her next, then so be it...But she wouldn't let go of Tara's hand... She would never let go, just as Tara had refused to let Willow slip away in the Nether Realm. Willow would hold her until her own breath was taken from her."), really spoke so well to their love/strength of their connection.



And even though I feel for Oz, the whole "puppy training", "Well, at least he didn't go on the rug.", just :lol (as well being a great way to bring in some levity). Really your characterizations are spot on, truly such a gripping story, and I can't wait to see what happens next!

Edited by: VampNo12  at: 10/27/02 10:36:07 pm
VampNo12
 


Wow.

Postby DarkWiccan » Sun Oct 27, 2002 1:13 am

Again with the wow. The imagery of this scene was so tangible, so real... so awesome.



Brava!!



DW

DarkWiccan
 


Re: Wow.

Postby Sela » Sun Oct 27, 2002 1:42 am

I am absolutely captivated by this story. For the past few days I've been trying to pinpoint precisely why your fic has managed to grab and hold my attention. I mean, I've read these three parts more than once and every time I re-read them, I find something more compelling about them. I think it's because you do have a mastery of the language. It's very fluid, it isn't manufactured. Your characterizations are on spot, and so the dialogue is very tight. You understand the importance of imagery, as someone else has already pointed out. You're not just throwing words together and hoping they align; you're creating images that are evocative, sensual, real. I can see every single thing you write. And that's a fantastic accomplishment. I don't struggle to view this wonderful picture you've painted. You've also introduced the element of suspense, and it's not a cheap one. Yes, as a reader and W/T shipper, I know they belong together, but that doesn't lessen the paramount decision Willow has to toil with. I certainly don't want Willow with Oz, but that doesn't make Oz a bad person--he's just not the *right* one for Willow. And you don't make him this one-dimensional villainous obstacle. He's real and Willow cares for him, but she's in love with Tara. Still I love this conflict. It's at times heartwrenching, and at other times poignant, but you make it so real. And this last update was just so vivid. Oz trying to deal with his wolf side and not being able to suppress it. Willow begging for her lover's life. Tara taking the lead and effectively saving the day. It's all so surprising and wonderfully original. Thanks. I'm not exaggerating when I say that I'm waiting on pins and needles for the next update.



--Sela

Sela
 


Re: Wow.

Postby MAISEY12 » Sun Oct 27, 2002 2:51 am

Awesome update! How tense was that? I am so totally hooked to your fic, now I am a Antigone whore:) Poor Oz, I really felt so sorry for him, his pain was so real, but W/T are safe and that's all that matters.



I loved the visual of Tara kneeling on the floor in front of Wolfie, holding Willows hand, whilst at the same time, baring her neck, prepared to sacrifice herself for Willow.



You have wonderfully captured the essence of how I see these characters, each prepared to sacrifice themselves for the other.



Thank you.





Ann-Marie



PS. No I haven't written any fic yet, but I hope to one day. It's nice to know that if I do, you will take a little peek at it:)

MAISEY12
 


Re: Wow.

Postby stereo33 » Sun Oct 27, 2002 7:29 am

That was totally fantastic. It was just so tense! I was literally on the edge of my seat reading this update, and when Tara was ready to offer herself in order to save Willow - I could picture every single thing so clearly. The way you wrote it so Tara took charge of the situation was amazing, I don't know if my heart can take much more, but I'm willing to give it a try.

Looking forward to more.

Thank you

Karen :)

stereo33
 


Re: Wow.

Postby snuggle79 » Sun Oct 27, 2002 9:21 am

Absolutely breath taking. Really great, how Tara managed the whole situation. Yay Tara! :D

Awesome update! :clap

Snuggle79 :wave

--------------

"I got so lost"

"I found you, i will always find you"





snuggle79
 


Re: Wow.

Postby littlecrazy80 » Sun Oct 27, 2002 11:03 am

Really nerve-wrecking!

But Tara was so calm. She saved both of them.



*lil´c*



Unter den Blinden ist der Einäugige König.

littlecrazy80
 


MORE!!

Postby SilverWingedNemesis » Sun Oct 27, 2002 11:21 am

I love this story!! I can't wait for another update!! Please add more soon!!



~NICKOLE~

SilverWingedNemesis
 


Re: Wow.

Postby xita » Sun Oct 27, 2002 11:26 am

I have just caught up with this fic and I must commend you. I really enjoyed the love scene, and I appreciated the uniqueness of it. I loved Willow's perspective. IT's so interesting for her because she's had sex before but it's so different for her and reading her reactions to every new discovery is really very intimate and powerful.



I also think you paint a very realistic portrayal of what would have happened if. It would never have worked because Willow's heart was elsewhere, the real NMR made that clear and that is why she had to choose Tara. But if she had chosen Oz because it was easier and because she felt she owed oz a chance, then you are writing the clear consequence. She still is in love with Tara.

-------------------------------

Buffy?

Let's change it, the Discovery channel has koala bears.

xita
 


Perfect

Postby lipkandy » Sun Oct 27, 2002 12:19 pm

yes, the migraine is better thanks!

just had to post about this update. so often on Buffy violence is the first resort (especially in the past two seasons) even for the two gentlest souls on the show (WT). It was so beautifully conceived and perfectly Tara that she would defeat her aggressor through (apparent) submission. and the image of Willow and Tara naked with hands entwined as they face down a lethal beast is just exquisite.



thanks again.



melissa

lipkandy
 


Re: Perfect

Postby jdcioffi » Sun Oct 27, 2002 12:43 pm

There's really nothing I can say that hasn't been said before ... but I do hafta say this ... that whole "if you die the powers are idiots" thought-line ... priceless.



The powers that be are idiots for taking Tara away ... I like how you slipped that in. :)



JD

"Was there a voice unkind in the back of your mind saying, "maybe..." (Jeff Buckley - The Last Goodbye)

jdcioffi
 


oh my stars!

Postby Kaisyn » Sun Oct 27, 2002 8:20 pm

I must say, I haven't read such a touching display of affection by two people in a very long time. Things I feel and can't put into words in regards to my own wife you have put to "paper" so to speak. I stand jaws agape at your writing the love these characters have for one another. Bravo!

Kaisyn
 


Re: on second thought

Postby technopagan78 » Mon Oct 28, 2002 2:07 am

This is amazing stuff. Touching, true to character, well-written, lovely, scary, truly amazing stuff. I love the complexity of Willow's choice, the exploration of how hard it is to have to chose. And I love that you made the choice hard and obvious at the same time. Willow doesn't simply forget what Oz means to her; Willow can't refuse what Tara means to her.

technopagan78
 


Re: on second thought

Postby barnabasvamp » Mon Oct 28, 2002 9:42 am

WOW, I was on the edge of my seat the entire time *picks self up off the floor* until Oz finally backed down :grin .

Tara being the assertive one and taking charge with her knowledge.

BV

"In front of total strangers won't you kiss me, Flowers for no reason but you miss me - OOH, I wanna be in love"

Melissa Etheridge-Skin

barnabasvamp
 


Re: on second thought

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Mon Oct 28, 2002 10:17 am

Please forgive any incorrections in the above version of "Thanks, my little cats."



I'm so psyched about the feedback you all give. I plan to post another update either Wednesday or Thursday. Thanks, everyone, for your thoughts.



And now, for a little specificity...



>>Hey, BigDummy (and I'm sure you're not!)--There's nothing cheesy at all about your thoughts; I really appreciate the support and encouragement. Thanks!



>>Sleek: I'm glad you were feeling the anxiety (within this story, of course; not in an ongoing existential way). I also got caught up in the image of Tara baring her throat. It seems so much like her, you know? Thanks for writing and hey--loving that "Finding You" fic!



>>TheRose24--Oh, yeah...Willow's got some 'splainin' to do... Not just to Oz, but to Xander, who's completely unaware of this whole dynamic.



>>Cindipitude--(I love your name!) You really captured the core of Tara's actions: loving Willow enough to sacrifice herself for her, and being utterly confident in the knowledge that Willow would do likewise. One of the things I love most about Tara is that she's so incredibly strong even as she gives the initial appearance of meekness (although that initial presentation changed over S's 5 & 6, I think). I think that more than any other character, she's the one who just DOES what needs to be done, w/o much fuss and commotion.

She's brave in this verbally economical way--very appealing. Thanks for the thoughtfulness of your reply.



>>Inward Sea--I know what you mean about this being such a rough time. I don't get UPN where I live, so a friend is taping them for me; I have to say, I'm lukewarm about seeing the episodes, however.(Though I hear that the writers did finally manage to get Willow to Tara's grave and at least mention her.) Glad to help.



>>VampNo12--You write great feedback; thanks so much! Yeah, I definitely wanted to have another POV re: the extent of Willow and Tara's love; most particularly, Oz's, in the midst of the change. I wanted a POV that emphasized how utterly they were committed to each other. And I'm glad you like the image of Tara baring her throat, and Willow's total knowledge that she herself would hold on until she was no more. It felt like one of those "less is more" moments: so much was happening, but there wasn't a lot of dialogue or physical action. I'm really glad that scene worked for you.



>>Dark Wiccan--Glad you like the imagery. This scene felt very atmospheric to me, if that makes sense.Thanks for your encouragement and keep up the good work on "The Heart Rules the Mind" and "There You Are"!



>>Sela--Wow...That was amazing feedback; much like your first response! Thanks so much for your thoughtfulness. I'm most relieved that the characters feel complex, and multi-dimensional. Good dialogue is tricky, so I'm also especially gratified to know that that aspect is coming through OK. You really nail the essence of Oz, too: he's not some caricature of a bad guy. He really loves Willow, and he knows he was lucky she initially chose him. And now his own heart is breaking as he realizes fully that her heart is and belongs with Tara. Thanks again for writing; I hope you enjoy the future parts. Hey--have you written any fic? I'd love to see it.



>>Maisey12--Oh my God...An Antigone Whore! I feel so...Well, I don't know how I should feel, but I feel absolutely honored! And yeah--let me know if you write anything! Thanks so much for the kind words.



>>Stereo33: I'm glad to know that the images were clear for you. Ads I mentioned above, this section feels like it relies a lot on the atmosphere: night; moonlight; pale skin; bared throat; etc. There was far less dialogue, proportionately-speaking, than in previous installments. Thanks for your encouragement.



>>Snuggle79: Oh, yeah--I'm all about Power Tara. I think she has so much power; she just embodies it in such an understated way. I see her as being half as verbally active as Xander and twice as effectual. (That's my own perception, of course!) Thanks for replying.



>>Littlecrazy80: I'm glad it was nerve-wracking (in a happy-ending kinda way) for you. Hope you enjoy the rest.



>>SilverWingedNemesis: Thanks for the good thoughts. Gimme a couple of days, and you should have your next "fix."



>>Xita: Holy Ga-Moly...I was so psyched to see your name on the response thread. Thanks so much for your thoughts! I'm glad the mini-AU (or variation from canon) works for you. I think Willow struggles so mightily with doing what's right for everyone that it's easy for her to lose her own voice in all of that; at least it has been in the past. At the same time, she has such powerful emotions and desires that there was no way she could live w/ her choice for any length of time without splintering inside. I'm especially glad you liked the love-making scene. I wanted it to be hot, but I wanted the heat to come from the longing and the ache that the two of them have for each other; in other words, I wanted it to reflect their characters, not act as a substitute for them. Thanks so much for your thoughtful feedback; and thanks so much for this whole Kitten Board. It's just a wonderful place filled with remarkable people.



>>lipkandy: I really like your point about the non-violent apparent submission--because it wasn't submission in the typical sense of that word, was it? And that's the beauty of Tara, I think: she doesn't initially come off as a big power source and yet I think in many ways she's the strongest of them all. I agree that S-6 relied too much on violence: as a catalyst, as resolution, as pretty much everything. In a

world of wretched excess, less can be more. Thanks for your encouragement, and I'm ALL kinds o'lovin' Tempus Fugit 4 & 7. Can't wait for more there!



>>JD--Ah, you caught the references to the idiocy of Tara's death, eh? I was going to have Willow go off on an even longer rant about it but I was afraid that would be distracting. It was fun to write,though! Thanks for the good thoughts and encouragement.



>>Kaisyn--That was such a great thing to read! I'm really glad that the abiding affection they have for each other comes through in this fic. I'm glad you can feel it. And if you feel for your wife what these two feel for each other, then she's a lucky person indeed! Thanks for writing.



>>Technopagan--You're right: Oz isn't some throw-away villain. He really loves Willow, and I do hurt for him b/c he realizes, fully, that she isn't his. Thanks for the feedback. I also just caught up on "DR," and it's just amazing. I want to pop back and give some feedback on that thread. It's a great fic, and its' clear you love your characters.



OK, folks. Thanks again for all your replies, and as I wrote above, I should have the next installment up here in 2-3 days. Have a great week, Kittens!



Mary


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Re: on second thought

Postby jdcioffi » Mon Oct 28, 2002 12:31 pm

I wanted to thank you, btw, for the Paper Airplanes comment. I didn't acknowledge it because I was so wrapped up in YOUR story. LOL.



If I write another story (IF), I will post it on the board. If not, I'll live off wonderful fic, such as yours.



JD

"Was there a voice unkind in the back of your mind saying, "maybe..." (Jeff Buckley - The Last Goodbye)

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Re: on second thought

Postby pacou » Mon Oct 28, 2002 1:26 pm

Wow, wonderful update! :)



Antigone, it was so great, how Tara was sitting there, naked and so vulnerable, I almost forgot reading because of the thrilling atmosphere...



And now Oz is away, at least for a while I hope, but I afraid he may come back...:(



And so just...thanks (now that was a big surprise ;) )!



:peace -Viv-

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Re: on second thought

Postby LostSoul » Mon Oct 28, 2002 2:41 pm

Wow, that was a powerful image. Tara baring her throat to Oz in order to protect Willow.



Awesome imagery.





LostSoul




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Re: on second thought

Postby Insanity » Mon Oct 28, 2002 4:38 pm

I just caught up and I´m soo glad I read this Story. It´s wonderful. I love it. This image of tara sitting in front of the bed....*shiver* WOW! Great. Please more!



Insanity

"Nobody messes with my girl!" Tara, Bargaining

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Re: on second thought

Postby ruby » Mon Oct 28, 2002 4:48 pm

Wow, I go away for a few days and come back to some of the best W/T characterization ever, ever. Thanks for a delicious story, AntigoneUnbound. Your unerring sense of language is a delight, and you sure do know your way around a love scene. And you're giving our girls such depth and connection. Can't wait for more.

Wow, that was so close to being empowering. --"Same Time, Same Place"

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Re: on second thought

Postby Grimaldi » Mon Oct 28, 2002 5:37 pm

just started reading this fic, and i like it a lot. the way you decribed Tara handling Oz was riveting and really good, and that love scene :drool



can't wait for the next part :)

Dude, we're surrounded by perverts!
No! Well, okay. No. Pez!



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Re: on second thought

Postby Zahir al Daoud » Mon Oct 28, 2002 11:49 pm

Okay, breathing now...

"GOD created Man in his own image. Man, being a gentleman, returned the courtesy." -Voltaire

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Re: on second thought

Postby Vampivy » Tue Oct 29, 2002 12:17 am

“AntigoneUnbound”



To call this smut, even excellent smut would in my opinion be an outright insult. To me with all sincerity I consider this a masterpiece in it’s own right. It’s been said already that you have obviously mastered language and description. I truly believe that as well as the fact that you should indeed be published. The connection between reader and story is breathtaking.



Every word, Every detail, Every image, I heard, I felt, I saw.



It’s been a week since this story 1st premiered here at the Pens and 3 chapters later I still feel like I’m in a catatonic state of complete awe of your amazing talent.

(“Christ did that even make any sense”)



I kid you not that I had to read this story in sections in order to avoid losing consciousness. That love scene…no words can do it complete justice. Needless to say I can’t wait for the next update.



Patty



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