Lesbian Cliche FAQ - Final (tentative)

[Epicurus]

Im a little offended by the subtle discriminatory comments that are in RealitySpeaks' posts.
Just thought I'd say that cause reading condescending bigot posts is um not so much fun.

Then again I could just be an overreacting minority.

[hilarita]

Ok, ill bite.

realityspeaks-

i honestly believe that the only way to keep hollywood from killing and/or turning their lesbians evil is to call them on it. if no one cares whether or not every single representation of lesbian couples end in tragedy and death, then people have no reason not to do it. i dont believe i am hurting the cause by speaking up about it. i want people to know that healthy lesbians in the media are completely absent. i want people to know that its not ok. and please understand that saying that we look like crazy lesbians from the outside is not an acceptable way to start conversation, you cant possibly be surprised that people react to your name calling with name calling.

of course joss didnt have to keep tara alive. thats his right. but just because he can doesnt mean he should, and i believe he did a whole lot more harm than good with this storyline. and i think a whole lot more harm would be done if it werent for the people calling attention to why this action was irresponsible.

[Kendahl897]

Reality Speaks,
With all due respect, I doubt very seriously that Joss would have killed Seth Green off if he had not wished to leave the show..Seth Green was a pretty popular actor, especially after Austin Powers came out..And at least Seth got to be in the credits.
Second,
You are right that we can't demand that the writers not do something.We can hope but not demand..What has angered alot of us is that these same said writers constantly were giving us reassurances as to Amber/Tara. And in an interview given in May of last year, Joss Whedon told E-Online that he had no plans to send Tara anywhere.That she was a big part of the heart of the show. Now we learned that even before he said that that he was already planning her demise.. Now we certainly don't expect Joss to go handing out spoilers as to what will happen with each character, but it was totally unnecessary as well as completely disrespectful to just outright lie like that.. A simple " no character is safe" would have sufficed..I can guarantee you that if the same thing had been said about Spike and then they turned around and killed him, those fans would be pretty pissed too, and rightfully so.
Finally, the writers had talked about the cliche several times, and they expressed their desire never to do it. Then, they do it and act like it was an unforeseen mistake.. They've been planning this for two years yet it is only in hindsight that they can see what they have done? C'mon that strains a little credibility.
But you are right that they can do what they want, as they have done. And we can express our unhappiness by not watching the show.. It is their loss too.. When your ratings are falling, it usually isn't not a good idea to alienate a pretty dedicated and loyal fan base...They said they gave us what we needed, not what we wanted..Well I didn't need another dead lesbian on TV. So I guess I'll take by Neisen household elsewhere.

[kyraroc]

What I'm wondering is, where are all these demands from kittens that producers/writers/directors bow down before the will of the mighty vocal minority and not dare stray from our agenda? I've had this said to me before. I'm trying to figure out where this kind of demand lies in

1) Saying that we found a particular storyline very offensive, and explaining why,

2) Mentioning that we are particularly disappointed because this particular show, both in outside interviews and within the plot itself, had given us every indication that it would avoid precisely this kind of offensive storyline, and

3) Intimating that as a result of that, a number of us would stop watching the show.

I'm trying to figure out where we said that we should have complete control over all television storylines, no one can or should ever do anything that offends us, censorship is good, and unless our demands our immediately given in to we will do evil and vile lesbian things to anyone who disagrees with us.

What section of the FAQ was that part in? Did I miss it?

--- KR

[Zahir al Daoud]

RealitySpeaks (what modest name) said:

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[Zahir al Daoud] While I understand and respect your argument that the
lack of (happy) lesbian couples on TV means that killing Tara is
irresponsible, I do not believe that it is right to demand that producers
adhere with it. You might ask them to consider it but to demand as it is
done at this board is really trying to limit or completely abolish the creative
freedom of the producers. With thousands of minorities standing in line
each with their special agenda the final result may be very responsible and
political correct but dead in any literary/interesting sense.
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I'm sorry, this is a ridiculous argument. While all sorts of folks have expressed outrage, fury, disgust, etc. about Joss Whedon's choices, nobody has (to my knowledge) even hinted that he shouldn't have the legal right to tell a story the way he sees fit. We are [i:a689746e9f]criticizing[/i:a689746e9f] him, engaging in [i:a689746e9f]feedback[/i:a689746e9f], which is part of our responsibility as audience-members.

Now I am a writer, a produced playwright as well as an actor and director. What's more I have a degree in theatre arts. I'll tell you right now that genuine self-examination in no way compromises the artistic process. Your implication (as far as I can tell) is that minorities have no business reacting to representations of themselves, no matter how inflamatory or hurtful--nor should anyone feel indignation on their behalf. This is precisely the kind of knee-jerk reaction so justly condemned under the term "political correctness" (a term often used to thoughtlessly dismiss rather than consider the opinions of minorities).

[hilarita]

ah kyraroc, that was in the "Crazy Lesbian" section of the FAQ.

The Crazy Lesbian

Everyone here is a crazy lesbian. Yes, that includes you, BBOvenGuy, and you, WebWarlock. We are all lesbians. And we are all certifiably insane. Many of us reside in actual psychiatric institutions.

We will not rest until we are reigning over ME and monitoring their every move. We want to have total and complete control over everything they do. We are all crazy lesbians.

Everyone here adheres to a stringent agenda. Our agenda is...er...the agenda of a crazy lesbian. All that we do is to further our crazy lesbian agenda.

If you disagree with our agenda, you will have a giant can of CrazyLesbianWhoopAss opened on you. Beware.

[Kieli]

Amen, Brother Zahir....*ahem* what he said

[Wiccagrrl313]

Oh, and thank you Realityspeaks, for coming *here*, to this board, and setting us all straight. For calling us crazy. For telling us we don't have the right to react/feel the way we do about this turn of events. Can't understand why people didn't take your post or points seriously.

Anyhoo, just one small point (although there are many) that you seem to not get about why people are pissed about the way this was handled. Joss himself claimed to understand the social significance of this relationship. Perhaps the "He has no social responsibility" arguement might hold water (although I still would be upset) from someone who hadn't claimed that W/T was the most important thing they'd ever done on the show, that he wasn't sending Amber/Tara anywhere. But he made all those comments, took credit for the social good it did. And then ended it in the most cliched, insulting way possible. He can't have it both ways. Either his story exists as part of a larger social context (which, I think, clearly it does) or it doesn't. Either he has some responsibility (positive or negative) for the effects his story have in the larger world or he doesn't.

Joss, of course, has the right to take the story any direction he wants. *I* have the right to take issue with it, to be insulted and *tell* people why I'm insulted. The W/T fans were very vocal in their support, and we're not just gonna slink away now because of how things went down.

[WebWarlock]

Well then if that is the case. "Ich bin ein Lesbian".

As opposed to a jelly doughnut.

Warlock

[BBOvenGuy]

It's much better to be a lesbian than a jelly donut. Or a blind follower of Joss Whedon's "reality," for that matter.

[RealitySpeaks]

Some more remarks before retiring (do not worry I will not be a disturbance here much longer):

[WevWarLock] You are right, Joss and ME are so into keeping their future story secret that they will as they have publicly stated long time ago even deny rumors or spread misinformation (or lie as you call it). In my book that makes them a little obsessive but not bad people. Also, I would not conclude from this that this mean that they lie about other things like past events (that would just be mean spirited).

[hilarita] Good points that I agree with to some degree although I do not share your final conclusion. And I am sorry, the word "crazy" is too strong and I should not have used it. Promoting awareness about key issues is ok but attacking the producers and writers is not productive (and if you read some of the posts and articles on the internet, often somehow referring to your FAQ or restating your arguments, what activists has stated about the people of ME is way beyond the word 'crazy' or childish name calling).

Joss always do the worst thing he can do to his main characters (mostly really bad things happens to Buffy but this time to it really happened to Willow through Tara). Strong emotional up's and down's are just is just the way the show is and something I personally both love and hate about the show - and would not like to change. Also, I must admit I really liked seeing AH playing the big bad this season (she is really a great actress).

[maudmac]

Okay, now, I really wanted to stay out of this, but since I'm here and all...here we go.
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With thousands of minorities standing in line each with their special agenda the final result may be very responsible and political correct but dead in any literary/interesting sense.

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It may very well be, [b:4f3d9cac52] RealitySpeaks[/b:4f3d9cac52]. Goodness knows I've seen some art and entertainment that heavily featured various and sundry minorities that was utter crap. But your point is really ridiculous. Because we are positively [i:4f3d9cac52] awash[/i:4f3d9cac52] in art and entertainment that's devoid of minority representation and is so long dead in any literary/interesting sense that it's nauseating.

Oh, and by the way, this is a board for people who ship Willow and Tara. Y'know, in case you didn't notice that.

[xita]

You know I am puzzled cause on the one hand we are told, oh they lie they have to, to protect the story. Then we are told that Joss is 100% honest and believe 100% that he would have killed Willow's boyfriend. Well, I am confused. Are they liars or not? Let me give you a tip, they lie.

Then again, I am just a crazy lesbian

rofl Tim

[BBOvenGuy]

Madeleine L'Engle tells the following story in her book, [i:0b8cf4b33b] Walking On Water[/i:0b8cf4b33b]:

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I was told of a man who had a small son he loved dearly, and so he wanted to protect him against all the things in life which frighten and hurt. He was emphatic in telling the little boy that [i:0b8cf4b33b] nobody[/i:0b8cf4b33b] can be trusted.

One evening when the father came home, his son came running down the stairs to greet him, and the father stopped him at the landing. "Son," he said, "Daddy has taught you that people are not to be trusted, hasn't he?"

"Yes, Daddy."

"You can't trust anybody, and you?"

"No, Daddy."

"But you can trust Daddy, can't you?"

"Oh, yes, Daddy."

The father then held out his arms and said, "Jump," and the little boy jumped with absolute trust that his father's arms were waiting for him. But the father stepped aside and let the little boy fall crashing to the floor.

"You see," he said to his son, "You must trust [i:0b8cf4b33b] no[/i:0b8cf4b33b]body."

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Now, I ask you, would you want to have a father like that? Would you want anyone to have a father like that? So why then do you bow at the feet of Joss Whedon, who does pretty much the same thing? If Joss is really serious about his claims that nobody is safe and no relationship will end happily, why do people continue to watch and defend his show?

Oh, and by the way - I didn't watch Aly playing Dark Magic Willow (except on location where she was far away and the wind was blowing), but I'm sure she did a marvelous job. She would have done just as marvelous a job if the Dark Magic persona had been arrived at through different means. There were ways to get there that wouldn't have required Tara's death, and Joss chose not to take that route.

[Willowlicious]

I usually stay out of these little skirmishes. We have so many bright, articulate members here, that I don't normally feel the need to add much to their reasoned comments. I helped with the FAQ, so I've said pretty much all I need to say. However, I wanted to respond to this...

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and if you read some of the posts and articles on the internet, often somehow referring to your FAQ or restating your arguments, what activists has stated about the people of ME is way beyond the word 'crazy' or childish name calling

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Don't blame the FAQ for encouraging any "name calling" on other boards. First of all, other boards aren't my problem, but, most importantly, the FAQ is extremely respectful when addressing all members of the Mutant Enemy production staff. They are all addressed as "Mr. Whedon" or "Mr. DeKnight" or "Ms. Benson." Kyraroc and I also were very deliberate in our efforts to keep the FAQ's tone even and respectful. After all, when you have a good, solid argument--which we do--there is no need to descend into a diatribe. I'm ashamed of nothing in this FAQ and I stand by every carefully chosen word.

Amy
(who would rather be called a "crazy activist" than a "lackey" anyday)

[roamin]

Reality Speaks - no one is asking Joss and ME for anything.

There is no campaign to bring back Tara or an organized campaign to boycott ME.

I respect Joss's right to free speech and to do what he pleases with his characters.

What most Kittens are doing is exercising their right to free speech and saying that we disagree with the choices that Joss made and we are disappointed in him, and some of us using our freedom of choice to not watch his shows any more.

Seems to me a lot of folks would like to censor us.

And if my friends knew I was being labeled a "crazy lesbian activist" once they got their jaws up off the floor they would fall down laughing!

[relativegirl]

[b:52606e732d] kyraroc[/b:52606e732d] wondered: [quote:52606e732d][b:52606e732d][i:52606e732d]Quote:[/i:52606e732d][/b:52606e732d]

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What I'm wondering is, where are all these demands from kittens that producers/writers/directors bow down before the will of the mighty vocal minority and not dare stray from our agenda?

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Gee kyraroc, I think our little friend is trying to teach us that we crossed that line the moment we decided to express ourselves at all. Even if it's here in our own house. Maybe it was even before that! Maybe it was when we started to [i:52606e732d] think[/i:52606e732d] for ourselves! Bad Kittens!

But his is a valid point. I mean, I for one [i:52606e732d] have[/i:52606e732d] stepped out of line. I guess all the smut stirred up my crazy lesbo passions and made me momentarily forget that I am nothing more than a tool for Mutant Enemy, born and bred to dedicate my productive cooperation to all things Jossian. I really do need to try harder to be a better tool. I do. I'm going to go work on that now.

[i:52606e732d] relativegirl puts down smut and trudges away chanting "Joss is Good. Joss is Great. And we thank him for Tara's fate."[/i:52606e732d]

[WebWarlock]

Correction.

I AM asking Joss to keep right on talking.
Everytime the man opens his mouth he proves that he knows nothing.

and this bit.
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[WevWarLock] You are right, Joss and ME are so into keeping their future story secret that they will as they have publicly stated long time ago even deny rumors or spread misinformation (or lie as you call it). In my book that makes them a little obsessive but not bad people. Also, I would not conclude from this that this mean that they lie about other things like past events (that would just be mean spirited).

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They and Joss have always lied. They are lying now, then ans always.

Sorry for sulling this fine thread with too many damn responses to this.

Warlock

[friskylez]

Reality speaks "Joss always do the worst thing he can do to his main characters (mostly really bad things happens to Buffy but this time to it really happened to Willow through Tara)."

How about that Tara is a main character, wonder why she wasnt in the credits if thats the case...Go figure...Must have been a boo boo by Joss...And RS, if Joss always does the worse thing he can to his characters, why is that Spike gets a soul and Tara gets a bullet?

Lets see bullet - soul, yep that soul is a bad bad thing...And once again bullet - no marriage, yep no marriage is far worse than a bullet...Now you tell me which of the characters, hint "lesbians" got the raw end of the deal??

And dont even begin to spout off that drivel about thats what had to happen for Willow to go DM, youll find that arguement will fly when pigs do...Read this thread or read some fic, there are a hundered different ways, other than killing Tara, to get Willow from point A to point B....

[urnofosiris]

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Some more remarks before retiring (do not worry I will not be a disturbance here much longer):

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Oh darn and it was just getting fun. [img:3c698705cc]http://www.uniquehardware.co.uk/server-smilies/cwm/3dlil/ugh.gif[/img:3c698705cc]

Anyway, it boils down to this I guess, it is perfectly ok for Joss Whedon to lie and be sarcastic, it is perfectly ok for his supporters to come criticize us and tell us how to feel and react, but it is not ok for us to criticize Joss Whedon. Gotcha. So in order to avoid future upset to our caring ME production/writing staff and BtVS fanbase, I have been so bold as to make a guide for us to follow in order to become better fans and human beings in general:
Special thanks to the guide to politically correct lesbian TV, it was a great help:

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To help avoid future problems with Buffy and other TV shows apparently mistreating lesbians, here is a first draft of a new guide for making political correct lesbian TV:


1) TV producer must accept that the behavior and storyline for a lesbian character should be in accordance to written and unwritten minority activist anti-clichs, rules and guidelines that may at any time change.

2) Specifically, any lesbian character must always be normal, happy, never go crazy/vengeful and never get killed off - even if such things are clearly the established norm of the show or the storyline may appear to demand it.

3) Once a lesbian character is introduced the producer is no longer in charge of the storyline regarding that character. The producer should refer to the local political officer from the local minority office. Together with some arbitrary minority activists, the officer will make all final decisions about the storyline in order to avoid perceived social harm.

4) When a show contains a lesbian character the complete potions of the scripts involving that character must be published on the Internet at least 6 months in advance to broadcasting.

5) The minority activists - being infallible about all things and obviously supremely qualified in making TV - reserve all rights to second guess, slander and censor the producer(s), director(s) and writer(s) of the show.

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[b:3c698705cc] To help avoid future problems for WT fans, militant gay/lesbian activists and/or individuals who are apparently mistreating the ME staff, here is a first draft of a new guide for giving politically correct feedback on BtVS:

1) WT fans, militant gay/lesbian activists and/or individuals must accept that the behavior and actions of Joss Whedon and his writers are in accordance to written and unwritten majority activist clichs, stories and statements that may at any time change.

2) Specifically, any WTfan, militant gay/lesbian activist and/or individual must always be normal, happy, never show anger/disappointment and never start criticizing the show - even if such things are clearly ok for any other BtVS fan to do or the storyline may appear to justify it.

3) Once a militant gay/lesbian activist and/or individual has started watching the show and become WTfan, said fan are no longer allowed to express their own opinion regarding that show. The WT fan, militant gay/lesbian activist and/or individual should refer to the local political officer from the local majority office. Together with some arbitrary majority activists, the WT fan, militant gay/lesbian activist and/or individual will form an acceptable opinion about the show in order to avoid possible upset to the ME staff.

4) When the fanbase of BtVS contains a WT fan, a militant gay/lesbian activist or an individual, the complete version of their opinion should must be posted on the Internet at least 6 months in advance of actual posting on a message board to leave time for the proper adjustments.

5) The majority activists -being infallible about all things and obviously supremely qualified in discussing TV - reserve all rights to second guess, slander and censor the WT fans, militant gay/lesbian activists and/or individuals who watch the show.[/b:3c698705cc]

[tyche]

Okay, I am a fairly even-tempered person online. I don't usually post on this board in anger. (And on a side note: why is it that, when a minority group ask to be treated the same as anyone else, people suddenly translate that into 'x group of people is asking for special treatment'? I wouldn't mind if W/T had ultimately been treated the same as every other couple of the show. But they weren't.)
Anyway, can I just say how fucking pissed off I am that people come here, PREACH at us, whine when we actually dare to express differing opinions, refuse to engage us in actual debate (cause, you know, they're the only ones who have access to the actual truth and anyone who doesn't worship Joss Whedon deserves eternal damnation), then run away screaming that we're all evil lesbians when we ask them to temper their arguments with a shred of evidence, logic or actual common sense?
If you don't like this board, and you don't like the opinions expressed here, GO ELSEWHERE. It is really that easy.
If you really can't stand the fact that there are people in the world who don't spend their lives kissing Joss Whedon's arse, well, that's just too bad.
And furthermore, coming here and saying that you don't like the focus of this board is pointless. I would not go to a W/X board and tell them how much I like W/T. I would not go to a board about golf and tell them that golf is a sport played by rich brain-sucked Republicans and is furthermore the most boring thing on the face of the earth. (Note to people who do play golf: I don't actually think this, I'm just using it as an example.) I would have thought that not going to boards where you disagree with the entire [i:a4508f6785] raison d'tre[/i:a4508f6785] of the place is basic manners, but maybe not.
If you have the manners to engage us in respectful, non-homophobic debate, please do so. (Mods: Maybe we could set up a thread specifically for this purpose, so that people who want to debate this stuff can do so.)
If not, please go away, because you're not only sullying this excellent thread, you're giving me a headache as well.
Thank you.

[Sheridan]

[b:4a6d12ea94] RealitySpeaks[/b:4a6d12ea94] Here's the basic problem; Joss lied, he lied openly, publicly, and frequently. And no I don't expect him to give away plot secrets, but if he was planning to kill Tara a simple 'no comment' would have been better than 'Tara isn't going anywhere'. The Kittens were [b:4a6d12ea94] upset[/b:4a6d12ea94] Tara died. They were [b:4a6d12ea94] furious[/b:4a6d12ea94] that they were lied to.

I thought the plotline sucked, and I should point out this isn't just sniping I have my own W/T stories out there on Pens for anyone to criticize if they want. I would have written it differently, so what? You are right in that respect. But I would ask you to read the endless stream of flip remarsk from Joss and the writers that show a marked lack of understanding. it's easy to [b:4a6d12ea94] say[/b:4a6d12ea94] you understand, it's your behaviour you are judged by.

[tommo]

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[b:6a1335b31e] Once a militant gay/lesbian activist and/or individual has started watching the show and become a WTfan, said fan is no longer allowed to express their own opinion regarding that show.[/b:6a1335b31e]

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I think this one was my favourite. Thanks Garfield. [i:6a1335b31e] *smooch*[/i:6a1335b31e]

[Dumbsaint]

Garfield, I want to have like, ten-thousand of your babies.

Little Garfields and teeny-tiny Julias running about... wouldn't it be positively frightening?

[urnofosiris]

Oh hey cool, would you mind if we like made them one at a time?

[tommo]

Oh please, you two. Just because I'm not a whore like Julia I miss out on having Garfield's kittens. Um puppies. Um, babies. Darnit.

[Repost Moderator]

[b:c52ef9de7c] originally posted by kc070697[/b:c52ef9de7c]
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My partner and I are new to BtVS... we just started watching in June... but we get the repeats on 3 channels... each at a different place in the timeline... so we spend a lot of time at the episode guides trying to figure out where we are! hee hee... Anyway, when we first started watching Buffy, we had NO IDEA there would be such a loving, lesbian relation about to begin... and when we started seeing signs of it, we wished and we hoped & it was true! A good, long-term relationship between women was actually being shown on tv by a mainstream network in a weekly series by main characters. We didn't know what to do with ourselves. We began to groan every time we saw a Willow/Oz episode and cheer when we saw a Willow/Tara episode... it was fun. But then last week we found out about the ending of Season 6... and were devastated. How can it be over? It's not just about Tara & Willow or two tv characters... I think this only goes to prove the point in the Lesbian Clich FAQ & in BBOvenGuy's great essay (www.xtreme-gaming.com/the...a.html)... there is a responsibility here... and we are a lesbian couple who just recently, unknowingly got sucked in... only to be horrified... I honestly felt that when Willow's eyes turned red and bloody that the writers were saying one of the following (and this was an immediate sensation, not something I thought about):

a) lesbians are bad and she is getting her just rewards, or

b) lesbianism is related to dark magic and must be punished...

I remember crying. Not for a tv show, but that such a monumental drive in g/l/b history was wiped out in one swipe. These things give us hope. And they took it away so absolutely. And now I am only saddened by the whole thing. And I don't want to watch it anymore. And I feel myself wanting to stand up and fight for it even though it is difficult for me to articulate exactly what is my motivation... how about this? My right to see lesbian relationships portrayed on tv without violence or constant comedy or indifference... upstage & alive... that's what I feel like screaming about. Maybe I sound overly dramatic, but this whole phenomena is brand new to me... and I just lost it like that... that's how it feels... the scars of the entire journey are fresh and sore.

And then a friend asked me the other day... "Well do you think they'll let her continue to date girls?" And I sighed. because that wasn't the point.

Thanks for listening,
KC

[xita]

KC, you are so right. You feel what I feel. And yes the gayness to me was not the point. The relationship was what was unique in all of television and has left a hole that cannot be filled. And they destroyed it all in one episode with all kinds of stereotypes. The loss is personal, social and political. It's not something, I can just "get over."

[Sheridan]

This is a very sad post, and makes me think of all those people in the UK waiting on BBC2 for S6, all those eager souls who are just going to get their hearts broken.

[Scout]

You're not alone, KC. Almost all of us can identify with what you're feeling, and even though we've had longer to get used to the news, we're still trying to deal with the fallout of what's happened. They took away a lot of hope for a lot of people.

Thanks for posting your thoughts and be sure to come around more often.