Season 6 in four words or less

[foxpoet]

Wanna Lose My Mind

[tyche]

Lesbians apparently disposable
I owe Whedon PAIN!

[Willowsmirk]

That's hard to say.
*thinks for a moment*

Ok how about:
Addicted, dead, resurrected, gone.

I am probably one of the few who while I will miss Amber Benson and Tara as whole (because she brought so much to the character Tara and to Willow's life), I kind of understand what they did and how they did it. Doesn't mean I like the whole thing and the way it went down but it's a hellmouth isn't it? Life's never pretty in the hellmouth. Yes, it sucks she's gone. But you never know how things go in the hellmouth, I think Tara will come back as some kind of "vision" for Willow, to tell her to be strong. *shrug* Just an idea.

The whole season was not one filled with a lot of joy. It seems that on previous seasons of Buffy there was some greater purpose going on - but then again Joss also wrote the season finales in previous seasons. He did say that after writing the "musical" he was really drained. Hence maybe that's why the finale ended the way the way it did.

So 4 words or less? Hard to say. Much harder to feel.

[Wiccagrrl313]

Well I, for one, will *never* understand why they went there. And the "It's a hellmouth, life always sucks" arguement also just doesn't cut it for me. I'm sorry, the show has never been this dark, this devoid of meaning or hope. Yeah, bad things happened, but good things also happened. Joss himself said it best- this season was about getting everyone so depressed they wanted to kill themselves. Not sure if he meant just the characters or the fans as well, but it was not a place I care to go with him. It wasn't excited or creative, it was nihilistic and depressing as hell and sucked all the enjoyment out of not only this season but tainted the earlier eps as well.

As for Amber coming back, while I love her as an actress and want to see more of her, I have zero interest in seeing her come back as a lookalike or as ghost Tara. And I *really* don't think I could stomach ghost Tara telling Willow it's time to let go. Not interested. Not in the least.

[lauriebear]

ok giving this a try.

depressing, boring, depressing, boring

where's the drama?

angst,more angst, yawn

change the channel

freed up Tuesday nights

graphic spuffy sex, click

character development....where?

growing up? What planet?

boy numbers up....scary

Writers need prozac fast

[Willowsmirk]

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Well I, for one, will *never* understand why they went there.

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I should've clarified further maybe. It's not just that it goes to the "hellmouth and life sucks" argument, but over the course of Buffy's history, none of the character's relationships ever work out. Some *thing* always destroys them. It's unfair. It's cruel. It's horrible. Yeah they made it into a lesbian cliche. Given the nature of this season (and despite what the writers told us in interviews) and it's depressing sad nature, what happened was just I think the lowest point in BTVS history.

The fact that these characters have gotten into our heart, souls and minds and can spark this much debate over the death of a beloved one, means that in a way Mutant Enemy did their job. They *want* us to keep talking about them. I for one am all for it.

I still do enjoy watching Willow and BTVS. Do I feel cheated out of what could've happened? Sure. I sure am angry that it went down the way it did. But ALL great shows do that. Buffy has gotten progressively darker since the beginning. I always thought it climaxed with Season 5's finale The Gift and thought it would be moving up after that. But I do think the show hit its proverbial rock bottom this past season and maybe next season (which is supposedly the final or so I hear) we will finally get some kind of resolution. I think Joss is pretty aware of how angry most of us are.

Then again, maybe my lines and words are mostly filler.

[xita]

If Amber comes back to tell Willow to be strong they can fuck themselves. I am not interested. She may as well not come back.

Willowsmirk you are new here, you may want to sneak a peak at the cliche faq to understand certainly the position if not all the members, the the board itself. Tara's death was not a thing we can forgive, bringing Tara back would only make things slightly better, they can never be right again.

[Loco2]

hmm, i could have sworn i posted here a minute ago. did it get deleted or did my computer eat it? or am i going crazy? heh, quite possibly the third option.

steph

[relativegirl]

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The fact that these characters have gotten into our heart, souls and minds and can spark this much debate over the death of a beloved one, means that in a way Mutant Enemy did their job.

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Well, no it doesn't. ME "did their job" when they sparked fan responses after they killed off Angel or Jenny or Joyce. Tara was an entirely different situation. ME chose to kill her in a prototypically offensive way that perpetuated a disturbing stereotype about lesbian sex leading to death and criminal behaviour laced with insanity. There are no analogous stereotypes that were pepetuated by the deaths of Angel, Jenny or Joyce. If Joss had chosen to lynch a Black character right after he had sex with a white woman the resulting uproar would in no way serve as confirmation that ME "had done their job." It escapes me how the current uproar over Tara means that ME did their job.

Nor will anyone be able to persuade me that ME was "doing their job" when SDK joked about Tara only having a flesh wound or Joss quiped that "being gay is so passe' "

It does not take any particular talent or gift to offend people deeply. By contrast, if ME had figured out how to perpetuate the happy lesbian couple (and in doing so perpetuate a truly revolutionary statement that one can be both lesbian and happy) and still maintain a dramatically interesting show, then I would have stood in line to give them all the credit they would have so richly deserved.

[Hemiola]

I agree, xita. That's why my 4 words are "shouldn't have killed Tara".

I recently re-watched "Two To Go/Grave" and was struck by two things:

First of all, they could have gotten the same effect [i:9758c93a1b] without[/i:9758c93a1b] killing Tara. For example, why couldn't they have had Tara hit by the stray bullet, but she's [i:9758c93a1b] only in critical condition, and not dead[/i:9758c93a1b]? This way, Willow hits the vengeance trail without knowing that Tara is still alive (let's say the paramedics who come for Buffy also discover that Tara has a faint pulse after Willow has left ). In this scenario, they could have had Xander be the hero and wheel the just newly-conscious Tara on a gurney out to "Kingman's Bluff" where [i:9758c93a1b] she[/i:9758c93a1b] (not Xander!) would lovingly bring her back to sanity (which would have been a nice mirror image of what Willow did for Tara in "The Gift" ).

Second, the fact is that even with Tara dead they didn't have the characters react logically. Why was it only Giles who brought up the fact that what Willow was doing was a betrayal of everything Tara stood for and everything Tara loved about Willow? Shouldn't they [i:9758c93a1b] all[/i:9758c93a1b] (i.e. Buffy, Dawn, Anya) have said something like this to her?

Furthermore, even if we take as a "given" the "Xander-as-hero" scenario that they insisted upon using, why did they just show Willow crying in Xander's arms? Logically, if we are to believe that Xander tapped into Willow's "repressed human emotions", shouldn't the first words out of her mouth have been something like "Tara, Tara, my darling, how am I going to live without you?" Likewise, if we are meant to perceive Xander as the "hero", shouldn't he have said something like "We all miss her. We all loved her. We'll all help you."

But, of course, heaven forfend that they should make too many references to the dead lesbian.

It seems to me that this would just have been good writing. As it is, they killed one character, and destroyed the other one.

[Loco2]

ok, i'm reposting this as it would seem i am just an idiot and pressed the 'back' button before i posted. if it [b:48be95470a] was[/b:48be95470a] deleted, i am very sorry and don't mean to offend or be stubborn. it's just if i wait, i will forget this, and it seems quite smart-sounding.

sorry, sticking up for willowsmirk over here. i kinda understand why they did it, too. it was unforgivable, nasty and stupid to say the least. but i think i get it. i think whedon has been planning this one for years. surely i am not the only person who when tara was first introduced to the show as willow's girlfriend thought 'uh oh. this one's not gonna end well' am i? when i read the description in the tv guide for the body, i thought it was tara who died. i have known this was coming for a long time, though it didn't numb the pain of the actual episode, any. i think joss only really did this because he wanted to. this makes me hate even more, if that is possible. he may have loved tara, but he still wanted to do it. and he did. how we are willow and tara people, i think he is a xander person. he wouldn't let anything horrific happen to [b:48be95470a] him[/b:48be95470a]. in the long run, i think tara was only ever there to be killed off in a shocking, appalling way. it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he brought tara back briefly to encourage willow, even if only to redeem himself somewhat. needless to say; it won't work. he can take his yellow crayon and stick it where the sun don't shine if you ask me.

sorry for this post being:
1) out of place
2) depressing
3) slagging off of joss (but only 'cos it's not allowed )

steph
dammit, this sounded so much better the first time...

edited to add: would you look at that, i'm all extra flamey!

[Wiccagrrl313]

Well, again, I *don't* get it. And you may be right, Joss may have intended this from the first time he introduced Tara. Which makes it that much worse, cause he lied about it. Said he wasn't sending Tara anywhere, talked about how important W/T and Tara herself were. If he built this up over all these years, making it seem like it was safe to believe in this relationship, playing up to people who so desperately wanted to see a positive representation like W/T and to not have it end this badly... then it sickens me even more.

You certainly aren't the only one who feared it wouldn't end well when Tara was introduced. But the false assurances given by ME made us hopeful. And then the hope was snuffed out.

[TaraManiac]

Don't-gimme-that-shit

-Liliana-

[Sheridan]

I find it hard to believe that he could hav planned it for two years and come up with such a lame ass way of doing it. If tara really had to dies couldn't she have been pushing Willow out of the way, or trying to warn Buffy, or doing something that would have given her death some small measure of meaning? Almost every other major character death served a purpose [b:db396fa7e2] in itself[/b:db396fa7e2] not simply a s plot device. there was a logic to Angel killing Jenny. Buffy sacrificed herself for the world, even Joyces death was a natural thing and it was the focus of events. When tara died it was a case of 'well that's done, now lets get on with the plot.' I also agree that if Xnader wanted to reach Willows humanity then the logic was to use Tara, wasn't she after all everything that made life worthwhile for Willow?

[Wiccagrrl313]

Yep, and sadly Joss chose *this* death to focus on how meaningless and harsh death, especially violent death, can be. His point was... there was no point. Just an asshole with a gun (or perhaps that should be amended to an asshole with a pen).

[kukalaka]

I was just rewatching some older W/T-clips and stumbled upon that one: "I found you... I will always find you."

Hm, guess that really explains why Willow doesn't even do a lot of looking for her in Villains. Actually that's what pisses me off most. Because there is just no way, Willow would just spend two minutes trying a single spell and then give up. Which makes it even more stupid

[oncemorewithfeeling]

Only four words I can think of is
"Marti Evil Bitch Noxon".

[lauriebear]

Don't watch it
Just say no
Thanks for nothing
Leaves you bitter
Go to hell ME


Sorry I'm a little bitter at the moment....Two Fucking Years!

[mscheckmate]

Brother-in-law hated it, too.

Marti's moms are weeping.

[skittles]

[b:cb9596e7a9] Joss (loves) rotten eggs!!! [/b:cb9596e7a9]

{{written after hearing report from TorontoTrek}}
{{please realize that I really don't mean (loves).. I'm just too nice!!}}

[Wiccagrrl313]

Planed for TWO YEARS?!?

[VampNo12]

This is entertainment?
Pain, and more pain
Buffy who is that?
Utter betrayal
Joss/Marti therapy time
Manipulation and lies
Female empowerment, not!

[lauriebear]

Two year plot device!
Feeling used
Two years for this
lame

[tabularasa]

Hmmm just 4 words huh? Ok...lets give this a shot:

Season 6:

It sucked shit

Tara died. Why?

Wanker Joss, Gilmore's Rock!

Oh I'm so getting into this! But..hmmm...must have greater allotment of words....but...naw...more fun with just 4! hee

Tara's dead. Kittens "gone".

And just a small parting fuck you to Joss "shrinking penis" Whedon and his whelping bitch Marti.

Ok. I'm bitter. I admit it. bleh.

[Epicurus]

Sheridan said:
[b:f61ecf8937]If tara really had to dies couldn't she have been pushing Willow out of the way, or trying to warn Buffy, or doing something that would have given her death some small measure of meaning?[/b:f61ecf8937]

Oh but there was a significance to death's Tara.
In death she gets shot in the back, right though the heart, no funeral, no mourning. The last image was see of her isn't even her... it's a body bag. BTVS is all about metaphors, this one had Joss' subconscious seeping though. He killed the heart of the show, I couldn't ask for better imagery.

Joss never treated her like a hero and I'm glad she didn't go out as one... I'd hate for ME to have the satisfaction in showing that and telling us to be thankful for Tara sacrificing herself.

[emma peel]

Joss broke my heart.
Joss is an asshole.
Joss is a m*****fu***r.
What was Joss thinking?
What about Marti's Moms?
I still love Tara.
I still love Amber.
I still love Willow.
I still love Aly.
Both characters deserve better.
Won't watch Season 7.
I hope it's canceled.
Actors deserve much better.
Joss has no respect.
Joss needs no respect.
Did Joss want respect?
Gets none from me.
Janice

[ally02]

Ok 4 words...here goes:

Strong like an amazon

Back together at last

Warren running in yard

Stupid guns solve nothing

Willow evil magick again

Yay hes on fire

Willow back at last

Tara come back please??


love Aly xxxxx

[Sheridan]

How about:

Goodbye Buffy, hello Smallville!

[Killin Joke]

Productive thread, this one <G> Ok, next round:
- Makes no sense whatsoever !

In the spirit of Arnold Schwarzenegger's character in The Last Action Hero:
- Tara dead: Big mistake ! /visualize bazooka blasting away you know who/

In the words of The Bloodhound Gang:
- "Burn motherfucker, burn !"

And to continue that strain of thoughts:
- Burn all yellow crayons ! (something which I'm planning on doing this summer: turn it into some kind of ritual fire, BBQ -> I mean - who knows - if all Kittens decide on doing it, we might even achieve a kind of voodoo effect, or at least preserve the next generations from ever stooping... and I should shut up now...)

[slayer747]

SMASHED.
WRECKED.
GONE.