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Postby tyche » Wed Mar 27, 2002 8:45 am

Apologies for any errors as I'm typing this quickly b/c I'm off to dance class soon...
Nasty Noxon
Sex, violence and addiction .. Its all in a days work for Buffys executive producer Marti Noxon.
Words: Andy Mangels

Executive Producer and writer Marti Noxon recently made her on-screen debut, singing in the role of the Parking Ticket Woman in the Buffy musical episode Once More, With Feeling, but this California girl has been involved with Buffy since its early days. Having written 21 episodes of Buffy - almost one-fifth of the total to date (plus one outing on Angel) - Noxons scripts have established several major elements of the Buffy mythology. A few of Martis contributions? The term Scooby Gang. The Mirror Vampire universe. Willows use of black magic. Rileys departure .. and, recently, Spike and Buffy shagging. Heres the woman behind the Slayer...

Dreamwatch: Prior to coming to the Buffy team, you did some stage writing and sold one TV script. What helped you find your voice?
I think that writing for the stage was probably the thing that finally made my work click... Until then, I was making the classic writer mistake - I was writing to sell. Once I got off the idea of making my living as a writer and got into the idea of what did I have to say and what was important to me, I started finding that I had this strange dark sensibility. Thats when I found my weird obsessions .. which Joss [Whedon] would call suicide and pain and a little S&M on the side. [laughs] Ghosts and the supernatural. The fascination with the darker side of things finally revealed itself.

You turned down a staff job on The Pretender to stake a claim on Buffy. You quickly went from scripting to story editor...
Yeah, it was pretty fast. I was hired as a staff writer, which is the most basic position. Bad Eggs was the first Buffy script I ever wrote. Then I did a rewrite on another episode that Joss really liked. We had a small staff that year, and he just started to throw a lot of stuff my way. I wrote more in that one year than I have the entire time Ive been here! I probably worked on five or six scripts in total. I thought that was what it was going to be like.

Youve been quoted as saying you think that is important that parents know they can turn Buffy off, because of the violence.
I think what I actually said was that I felt parents should watch with their kids, and they should be aware that not every episode is appropriate for young children at all. We really write to an adult sensibility with a lot of stuff that kids would enjoy, but I worry sometimes with the violence, but moreso with the sexual content. Sometimes, the shows get pretty sophisticated sexually, and we also do a lot of equating sex and violence .. a lot of dark energy around sexuality.
I think that kids should be with their parents and able to talk about what that is because I dont think that those are healthy models for children. A lot of the relationships in Buffy are pretty dark. Even the recent episode with Willow and the whole magic thing spinning out of control, there were some pretty gnarly allusions there. Sometimes I think were protected because it is often metaphoric, so its not as literal and it may not hit kids in the same way.

It wasnt technically drug addiction..
It wasnt technically drug addiction, it wasnt technically rape when Rack put his hand on Willow. So you can get away with stuff [metaphorically], but I think sometimes the feelings are still really dark and bad that come out of certain episodes. I think the majority of the ones I worry about are the one that Joss or myself do, where the content starts to get a little nasty.

The lesbian aspects of Willow and Taras relationship have been quite a publicity-generator for the show. You have elements in your background that make this a personal issue.
Yeah, I do. My mom is gay, and she came out when I was about 13. For the later part of my childhood, I was raised by two women. So, definitely some of the stuff that I have written about their relationship has been informed by that. Id say the only thing that has really affected the storyline is the sense that what my mother told me is true, that being gay is really just about loving somebody. Its much less about the sex of that person than it is about that you happen to fall in love with someone of the same sex. Its not always a huge political statement.

How has the network responded?
The network had been good, particularly UPN. The WB was more cautionary. They were concerned about them being in bed together and other factors, but UPN has been even more comfortable with their physicality. We havent done a really sexy sex scene with them. Weve done spell sex. Weve done metaphor sex. But we havent done naked sex like we have with the straight characters. Thats probably the next frontier. Ill get back to you on that one! [laughs] It may be time to see how far we can go there. I do believe that thats where a real fight [with the network] would happen.

Lets talk about the arcs of this season.
The Buffy arc has been very strong, just because I think she is learning to live again and learning to find her way in a world that now feels very, very strange to her. I think the progression of her relationship with Spike and everything is all about her trying to come back to the world of the living. The other part of her arc - and I think this is shared by the other characters on the show - is about growing up and facing adult responsibilities at the same time that theyre still figuring out who they are.
The absence of parental figures is making all of them have to face themselves in a new way. Xander getting married is kind of a confrontation with a bunch of adult responsibilities that he may or may not be prepared for. Theyre all doing the same thing.

Then you have the three villains.
They try to choose a lifestyle that is all about evading responsibility. Theyre using their special talents to try to do less, not more. Weve tried to make that parallel evident, but I think it sometimes gets lost in their goofiness. Really, the point of them is that these guys are steadfastly refusing to grow up. They want to play video games and meet girls and really do little else. Theyre going to use their smarts to try to figure out ways to get around regular jobs and regular lives.

What about evil Willow?
I dont think of her as being genuinely evil, especially not at this point. Tara, she can use magic and shes okay. But Willow is finding out shes an addict, and what you do about that really defines who you are. If magic takes her to an evil, dark place, its really of her own making. A lot of times, the bad stuff that happens to a character is really external, and this season most of the characters are making their own problems.

Is there a season-defining arc?
I think that this season is different. We have sort of parallel storylines going on. I can promise you that they will all make sense as a single concept in the end. But its a little greyer. I enjoyed the clarity and cleanliness of stories you could do in high school - cheerleading or pressure from your parents - but the truth is that, as you get older, stuff isnt quite as neat. I do think the shows reflecting that. Also, just in terms of the Big Bad, I think that we had exhausted so many possibilities. We could not do another apocalypse.

Dawn seems really struggling to figure out where she fits in...
I think the next frontier for Dawn is trying to forge her own identity. I think thats a question for the show and for her; whats her place, as she gets older and isnt just a kid anymore? Im eager for her to sort of shed the TV kid job. Youve seen hints of trouble in her world right now, but I think well start to go there this year - and then I think next year its going to be a major theme.

How about returning characters: Riley Finn?
No comment. Cannot respond. [laughs evilly]

Amy? Faith? Drusilla? Giles?
Amy has reappeared, and shell be part of the universe from time to time. We dont have any plans for her beyond the episodes that shes appeared in. I heard recently that [Eliza Dushku] would like to come back on the show sometime. We love her, so anytime we can get her...
Drusilla may come around again. Shed have some major feelings about whats going on. Theres no plans in the works right now, but its something weve talked about. Giles is gone, but hell definitely pop up from time to time when Tonys in America.

What about Xander and Anyas wedding?
Theres going to be a big, big sweeps wedding. Its going to be episode 16. Weve often said that romance in Sunnydale never goes well for very long, but they have the best shot of being a happy couple Id say, of all of them.

Ten episodes have aired so far. What can you say about the second half of the year?
There will probably only be two more episodes before the end of January. Theyre both not going to move the storyline forward a whole lot. Theyre stand-alones. Nick Mark directs the twelfth one. We wont get to Buffys birthday until episode 14. Were doing it late this year. Steven DeKnight just wrote an episode that will air in early February which is really dark.
You havent seen the last of Tara and Willow, thats for sure. Tara is in 16 out of 22 episodes this year. And Spike and Buffys relationship is going to continue to progress and devolve.

Youre writing the next-to-last episode of the season, part one of a two-parter. After that, what are you doing in the future?
My contract is up at the end of this season, but were talking in earnest, so as far as I know, Ill still be here. Thats my hope. Long-term, I have ideas for shows of my own, and Im eager to pursue some of that, but I also am not going to walk away from the best creative partnership Ive ever experienced in my life. As long as Joss Whedon will have me, Im pretty much in camp.

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Postby Willow » Wed Mar 27, 2002 8:45 am

Thanks for the transcript tyche, great interview, now on to a few highlights


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We havent done a really sexy sex scene with them. Weve done spell sex. Weve done metaphor sex. But we havent done naked sex like we have with the straight characters. Thats probably the next frontier. Ill get back to you on that one! [laughs] It may be time to see how far we can go there. I do believe that thats where a real fight [with the network] would happen.

Well I for one, cannot wait to get to the next frontier and let me tell you, its about damn time , although I dont really see a big fight with UPN over that.


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You havent seen the last of Tara and Willow, thats for sure.

Well now tell me something I didnt already know

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Postby Willow » Wed Mar 27, 2002 8:46 am

Interesting she thinks Xander and Anya have the best shot of being a happy couple. sigh.

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Postby Willow » Wed Mar 27, 2002 8:46 am

That she's so completely matter of fact about that being the next issue to tackle in the portrayal says a lot, in terms of various spoilers. Not guarded on the topic at all.

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Postby Lijdrec » Wed Mar 27, 2002 9:14 am


Amelioration from the ME BB herself, I can hear a collective sigh of relief on the Kitten.

One other comment to add..... B/S progress and DEVOLVE??

I guess therein lies the darkness....

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Postby drlloyd11 » Wed Mar 27, 2002 9:15 am

I like lots of W/T talk, and she has some very interesting thoughts..

Revelations: 2 part finale with no apocalype!
What could this be?

murky (possibly red herring) hints:
1)Willows is not evil "especially not at this point"
2)Spike and Buffy to grow and Devolve
3)Xander/Anya have best shot at happiness.
Remembering the kinds of indirections she is found of giving, there is alot to read here.
I would feel better if they said "at least 16 eps " however...

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Postby katydid » Wed Mar 27, 2002 9:16 am

Ooooohhhh....I so wanna see naked Willow and Tara.... I will keep my fingers crossed that we will get some great scenes when they get back together...cause we all know they have to get back together!

This made my day! Oh to get the next Buffy comic.

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Wed Mar 27, 2002 9:17 am

I think this is one of the best Marti interviews I've read--thanks as always for transcribing, Mary-Jane. I'm particularly glad she explained the concept behind the Lame Gunmen, because frankly I wasn't getting it and now I do, which I hope will make the whole storyline easier to watch. I'm not completely thrilled with what she said on the W/T front, although reaching the next frontier sounds really good...but, X/A with the best chance at being a happy couple? That doesn't seem right at all.

And I know that Amber was contracted for 16 eps last year but was actually in 18, and that she could be in more than 16 this year, but it seems like in every interview with Marti she really hammers home that number 16. It's making me nervous.

I thought this was funny--the interviewer brings up "the lesbian aspects of Willow and Tara's relationship"...um, so which aspects aren't lesbian?

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Wed Mar 27, 2002 9:17 am

I am so ready to "boldy go...". Can't wait for the next frontier.

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Wed Mar 27, 2002 9:17 am

Yes, I think her line about Willow not being evil "at this point" is a reference to the fact that since Willow is trying to go clean now, you can hardly call her evil.

The remark about X/A being happy doesn't surprise me. If they survive the wedding, it's likely they will find happiness because Joss and Co don't bother putting them through the angst that the more important couples go through. Up until the wedding, X/A have always had an easy time because theirs is not as compelling a storyline as W/T. As long as W/T are a couple on the show, they will be the target of angst because it makes for more interesting drama. W/T are a great angst target - X/A are not.

I love it that we can expect not only a reconciliation for W/T, but also more sex in the future! Now thats reassuring. I just wish she hadn't said that Tara was down for a solid 16, though. I get the feeling they are really going to drag out this reconciliation and get their money's worth from all the drama it brings. *sigh* I just hope they are completely back together by the end of S6.

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Wed Mar 27, 2002 9:18 am

There is a simple reason for this, they are not nearly as fun characters to write and get less plotlines, so they can be ignored longer. W/T are true love, and that means they get storylines and attention.. Good and Bad!
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Originally posted by Dazey:
...but, X/A with the best chance at being a happy couple? That doesn't seem right at all.?

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Wed Mar 27, 2002 9:18 am

quote:
Originally posted by katydid:
I so wanna see naked Willow and Tara....

All together now, assume lotus position, get the cozmic vibe going...

" Ommmmm. naked Willow and Tara..naked Willow and Tara...naked Willow and Tara...naked Willow and Tara...naked Willow and Tara...Ommmmmm naked Willow and Tara...naked Willow and Tara..."

Is it working yet? ... Must try harder.

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Wed Mar 27, 2002 9:18 am

Sorry to interrupt your wishful thinking. But we're still talking about US-TV, right? So, I don't think we'll ever get to see more than we saw until now. They've gone pretty far (for the US).

Yabbadabbadu, the stupid pic on the left side has disappeared!!!

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Wed Mar 27, 2002 9:18 am

quote:
Originally posted by Warduke:
And Tara was not in the last two episodes, so she would miss 4 more episodes but remember, she could easily be in more that 16, like she was last year

Ya know though, it is really bothering me that Marti keeps specifically saying that she will only be in 16.

With her in 13, 14, 16 that leaves her out 3 of the final 6. So unless she misses a like a 17 and 18, I really wonder what kind of position this puts Tara in at the end of the season.

Now I am not saying that I fear it might be Tuesday. I just would really prefer Amber to be in all of the final, at least, 4 episodes.

It just strikes me as strange that Marti keeps saying she will be in 16, not in at least 16 or whatever.


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Postby Unregistered(d) » Wed Mar 27, 2002 9:19 am

Ok, back to comment. Ok, many things here wow! Marti is saying a lot but she's not going to say all. The thing I like about sex being the next frontier is that it does not necessarily sound like something that is in the plans, so it could be a next season thing. Which means? Yes next season!

I said this before but I worried that people asking marti about Tara would lead to a more hardline position on how many eps she'd be in. We'll have to see how this turns out in the end. We need Tara.

And yes Brad, Marti did say once "Tara fans should be concerned." Was there need for concern in Family? I guess it all depends on your point of view. I also like your point of view Bob, at this point, which could mean that she was acting evil in wrecked.

And the xander/anya thing about them having the best shot, well it's one of those those things, seems like less intense feelings, less drama etc. It also could be diversion. The wedding coming up, i mean saying they have the best shot doesn't mean they will be the ones to make it. I'll put my money on the dark horse!

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Wed Mar 27, 2002 9:19 am

It is the US...but they have consistantly surprised me for years with what they show on television. If my mother were alive...she would be shocked. But me, I have a dirty mind, so I love it.

Just think....10 years from now this would probably be viewed as nothing much. Now of these strong warnings like we get now.

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Wed Mar 27, 2002 9:19 am

Yes - Marti's constant reiteration that Amber is in 16...I get such a pang of doubt. Help me kitties...I think I'm going schitzo. Promises of hints of nakedness...and then 16 eps. Arrgggh. Mutant Enemy is so mean, renew Amber's contract already!

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Wed Mar 27, 2002 9:19 am

My major point being she didn't lie, she just spooked us all with a veiled statement.
Well she spoooked the hell out of me anyway!

As far as Xander/Anya having the best shot, from the point of view of someone spoiler free, what is there to think?
W/T are broke up, Buffy/Spike are doomed..
Its just that we happen to know a bit more of what happens next..

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Wed Mar 27, 2002 9:20 am

Hmmm. Yeah, the Evil Willow comment definitely sounded like she was saying Willow has bottomed out and is now moving forward. She's just moving forward with baggage!

Like others said, I like that Marti talks about the possibility of W/T sex if only that suggests that they do have a future.

I don't like that she hints that X/A have the best shot of happiness. It could well be a diversion. It could be that they're just limited characters and when you poke them with sticks you get a joke, not high drama, so the writers will be content to use them as happy little accessories after the wedding. Just like they do now. I just hope she isn't saying that they are the ONLY ones that can find happiness. Honestly, the thought of W/T not ending up PERMENANTLY together makes me utterly despondent.

As for Amber's 16 eppies, when do they negotiate contracts for next year? Is it over the summer or before (like right now)?

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Wed Mar 27, 2002 9:20 am

quote:
Originally posted by Willowlicious:
As for Amber's 16 eppies, when do they negotiate contracts for next year? Is it over the summer or before (like right now)?

It really depends on the contract, I think. They do tend to do them as one season ends and another starts; but for all we know, Amber could have already signed something and it's not yet public.

As with anything legal and behind-the-scenes-y, there's no sure way to tell.

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Wed Mar 27, 2002 9:21 am

Lots of food for...uh, thought. Thanks for putting it up Tyche!

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Wed Mar 27, 2002 9:21 am

Thanks, Kalita! I guess I was just wondering when Amber's contract status had been made public in the past (I'm rather new to the Buffyverse).

I'm going to go against the grain of pessimism and caution around here and say something rash and optimistic! Based on everything I've read and the way the story is progressing, I really feel like Amber is going to be made a regular next season. Joss said there were "reasons" she wasn't made a regular this season. The W/T breakup seems reason enough. (Why pay someone for all 22 eps if you intend for them to leave for a bit?) However, in every interview it seems that the writers have made it clear that Tara will be drawn further into the Scooby Gang and her stock is going to be rising. I am just guessing and I know I may be in for a bitter disappointment, but it just FEELS like they're finally gonna get down on bended knee before Amber and make it official. If Tara makes it to the end of this season safe, sound and still a resident of Sunnydale (which I'm planning on!), I think she'll be a regular next season.

I guess the next few eppies (and spoilers) will tell the tale. I'm crossing my fingers!

As for Amber having to miss 3 of the last 6 episodes after Episode 16. It may not be as bad as it sounds. Each Scooby is kind of facing his/her own individual big bads this season, so big "ensemble" episodes--like the Glory ones last year--aren't necessary. I mean we've only seen X/A in half the episodes this year because the actors were regulars PAID to be there (again, why pay Amber all season if you knew this year was going to be so individualistic?). They've been set decorations! Anyway, I figure 17 will be X/A heavy with no Tara, and 18, 19 or 20 will be devoted to Buffy/Spike for one (no Tara), maybe X/A or Dawn for another (no Tara), and a big 'ole W/T episode (LOTS OF TARA!). Finally, 21 and 22 will feature the entire cast, including Tara.

I'm probably so wrong, but I'm just trying to be optimistic.

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Wed Mar 27, 2002 9:21 am

quote:
Originally posted by Willowlicious:

Finally, 21 and 22 will feature the entire cast, including Tara.

I'm probably so wrong, but I'm just trying to be optimistic.


I agree with a lot of what you say. We also can assume things will get worse before they get better with Willow and Tara.

But the thought of only having Tara in one of the episodes 17-20 (making the assumption that she would be 21 & 22), is depressing.

Yes her appearance in additional episodes would be minor and window dressing at best. But she makes a much nicer set decoration than A/X.

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Wed Mar 27, 2002 9:21 am

quote:
Originally posted by tyche:

What about Xander and Anyas wedding?
Theres going to be a big, big sweeps wedding. Its going to be episode 16. Weve often said that romance in Sunnydale never goes well for very long, but they have the best shot of being a happy couple Id say, of all of them.

You havent seen the last of Tara and Willow, thats for sure. Tara is in 16 out of 22 episodes this year.

The first part makes me want to run and find my teddy bear. She thinks that Xander and Anya have a better chance at happiness than Willow and Tara? Say it ain't so! Very depressing thought.
But 16 out of 22 is slightly cheerier. I think I still need a teddy bear though...

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Wed Mar 27, 2002 9:21 am

Thanks for posting that. I'm still hoping for a Willow&Tara reunion by episode 22 if not a few episodes before that.

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Wed Mar 27, 2002 9:22 am

quote:

One other comment to add..... B/S progress and DEVOLVE??

I guess therein lies the darkness....



Yeah, I thought that was odd when I was typing it, so I double-checked .. and it does say 'devolve' in the magazine. Of course, it could be that she said 'evolve' and 'Dreamwatch' transcribed it incorrectly, so chalk it up as a big 'don't know.'

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Wed Mar 27, 2002 9:22 am

Very simply, it makes sense for Marti to say that Xander and Anya have a better chance for happiness right now: X/A are actually STILL TOGETHER at the moment, while W/T are currently NOT together.

Deep breath, everyone! It will just take a little time here, but in the end all will be okay.

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Wed Mar 27, 2002 9:22 am

quote:
Originally posted by tyche:
it does say 'devolve' in the magazine. Of course, it could be that she said 'evolve' and 'Dreamwatch' transcribed it incorrectly, so chalk it up as a big 'don't know.'

I accepted the word 'devolve' as soon as I saw it. It makes sense - look at Buffy's expression in the alley sex scene in DMP. Is theis relationship getting more loving and romantic? I don't think so.

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Wed Mar 27, 2002 9:22 am

I just want to add - Poor Spike! He does sincerely love Buffy. I can see him going off the deep end if/when she does end their relationship - setting up a medium/big bad for next season?

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Wed Mar 27, 2002 9:23 am

Well, except for some folks, being "not evil" is not an insignificant requirement for a significant other. Spike may genuinely love Buffy, but he's also genuinely tried to kill her.

If I, theoretically, were a friend of Buffy's, I might find that hard to overlook. Especially since as a friend of Buffy's, it's likely Spike would have by now tried to kill me on several occasions as well. Yes, Spike has been helpful on occasion, but, significant others who are demonstrably bad for thier partners in the real world (physically or emotionally abusive, stalkers, etc) are, one would assume, sometimes nice and useful to be around as well.

You see, my mother dealt with domestic abuse cases for years. Trying to balance "He works hard to support the family", "He has a great sense of humor" "He loves me", "He loves the kids", "The sex is passionate." vs. "He loses his temper and beats the crap out of me." doesn't really work, the former, positive though they may be, don't actually much mitigate the latter.

Yes, Buffy is a superhuman person, physically she isn't the same as a battered wife/girlfriend. But I'm not entirely sure her psyche is as indestructable as her body. And while Buffy's Slayer abilities scale her up and out of the classic profile of an abused partner, the scale of Spike's transgressions scale up with her, we move beyond "He loses his temper and hits me" to "He's killed hundreds of people, possibly thousands, he's plotted with malice aforethought to kill me and my friends on multiple occasions and as far as I can tell, he'd very much like to have the freedom to be evil again. Oh, and he sincerely loves me. And is willing to be quite violent to demonstrate that."

Now, setting aside the fact that as a character Spike is funny and sexy and cool, I simply cannot do the above mentioned math in my head and say that Buffy/Spike is "Okay". Your mileage may vary, but I don't think it's just the writers wanting to avoid "controversy."

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