General Season 6 Spoilers - Part 5 - The Black Hole

[Hugin]

I wouldn't worry overly much. We know the season had been building to some real conflicts. Though I swear, if the show gets much darker I won't be able to watch it without night vision goggles.

-len

[sparrow]

Did she say things will get darker. What the hell will happen next? We already are in a depression because Willow and Tara are not together, crack house, crashed car with Dawn, sexcapades with Spike and Buffy, Buffy is some how "wrong". I think it is interesting that in the interview Marti pointed out that Willow dealing with her power and addiction. Willow will have to understand that her self esteem was the leading cause of the addiction and until she comes to terms with herself and that she is "essential" not her magic then there can be a balance. She can control her power and yet not be addicted.
I so can't handle anymore darkness.

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"Yea baby, I'm back"

[BBOvenGuy]

Personally, I think Willow has most likely passed the worst part of her darkness. However, the road back is very long and has lots of potholes in it. We'll see more pain and struggle for her, but I don't think it'll be as bad as "Wrecked."

Besides, it's Xander's and Anya's turn to have some "fun" now.

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Remember the Kitten Board Mantra: "Joss is nuts about Tara, Willow/Tara and Amber!"
(...and Marti's rather fond of them, too...)

[Scout]

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Originally posted by BBOvenGuy:
Besides, it's Xander's and Anya's turn to have some "fun" now.

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And they better get it in heavy doses. And it better last more than one episode. And it better involve a temporary breakup and not just a silly argument. They must suffer as we have!

I’m feeling very demanding today.

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[Popje]

Marti's comments are in sync with the spoiler's we've gotten for Ep 13...and I definately think that if there is going to be a BSD - it will be perhaps in the final ep. They just might do a cliffhanger this year (ya never know)

[AnGeL X]

Okay... just a little bit more...

Some information happened to come my way today and while I'm not sure what of it I'm going to reveal, I'll say this little tidbit for the board here to keep the mood of the good.

There is no Tara in 15. Not as good as Tara being in 15, but better than her being in 15 and something bad happening. Of course, we all knew she survived past 15, but at least nothing bad happens in the episode related to her character.

Goodness for Willow in ep 15. She's funny and her unique best friend qualities shine brightly in this episode. Good progress for her.

And that's seriously all I'm saying on that ep for now.

Also, to clarify on earlier comments regarding Willow's power compared to Tara's... that wasn't so much an opinion of mine as it was something expressed from the scripts. The "10 times" thing was more my own exaggeration, but the show seems to identify Willow as the stronger of the two, something both Wicca's and the whole gang seem to recognize.

-Michelle

[AutumnT]

Thank you Michelle. We certainly appreciate your efforts to keep the mood of the good here.

Edited to add:
Steve D. was just over in the Bronze beta. Only thing of real interest to us is the following:
"Can’t say much about Willow. Her magic addiction has actually been building up for the past two season, and came to a head in Marti’s episode (which I loved, but heck – drugs are more than a metaphor if you went to school in Santa Cruz). All I can say is that Willow is in recovery, and recovery is never easy."

Autumn

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[miss_spangles]

Thanks so much AngelX - the info you give us on Willow/Tara is very much appreciated.

[Kendahl897]

I still put my money on Willow and Tara getting back together by the season finale. And I believe this for 3 reasons:
1-"Your my always"
2-"Lost is good, Willow and I always know how to find each other"
3- Joss Whedon's interview in OUT magazine this past summer: "Her relationship with Tara will continue....but the course of true love is never easy....
I'd wish we'd get a spoiler soon discussing a reconciliation...

[Warduke]

Thanks for the info Michelle, I have no problem with no Tara in ep 15 because less Tara now means more Tara later

And yay for Willow goodness in ep 15.

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[BBOvenGuy]

Isn't it strange, though, that Tara missed the episode where Riley left and now she's missing the episode where he comes back?

Not that I think it means anything. It's just one of those weird things...

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Remember the Kitten Board Mantra: "Joss is nuts about Tara, Willow/Tara and Amber!"
(...and Marti's rather fond of them, too...)

[Blixxt]

You know, for a moment there I thought you were doing a "Why don't we ever see Clark Kent and Superman in the same room at the same time" style comparison, but then I realized the implication was too horrible to even conceive of and thus promptly stabbed out my eyes with a fork.

Ow.

[Scout]

Thanks for the info, Michelle. Always ready for good news concerning Willow.

And I like that Steve D. seems to indicate Willow did bottom out in 'Wrecked.' Even if the recovery has bumps, at least it looks like she won’t go any lower than she did in that ep. Definitely a plus.

[LadyJ]

Ok today Friday, I heard on the line that they needed Caucasion only for a possible 5 day call because a human is marrying a demon. So Xander and Anya gettin' hitched is next week.
Sadly I can't go because I am not Caucasion. Anyway I thought you'd like to know.

[Wiccagrrl]

Ok, so...ep 15 makes the third Tara-less ep this season. Only one more to match the four she missed last year. Interesting that she's missing the Riley ep- Sounds like we have a lover's quarrel in ep 14 (which is left with our girls on good terms) and then the next ep she's in will be the Wedding ep (which I imagine will be highly relationship-heavy and hopefully will have some nice Tara and maybe even W/T moments.)And every Taraless ep now seems to strengthen the possibility that Tara will be around for the end of the season.

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[miss_spangles]

That's a really good point Wiccagrrl. I'm hoping that we'll get Willow and Tara to make up pretty soon (maybe soon after the wedding?) and that Tara will be in the last several episodes of the season. Thinking positive is good I think.

[Ari]

I'm also pretty happy about Tara not being in 15. Though I always want to see her, we do have a certain number of Tara-less eps for the season and I'm just as happy to get them out of the way before whatever the season ending arc turns out to be.

I also have a comment on the relative power of Tara and Willow. For some strange reason, just the fact that they always make it a point to say how much more powerful Willow is, is sort of the thing that makes me wonder if it's true.

I can think of at least four or five references to it between the end of last season and this one. If nothing else, the fact that they feel the need to remind us of it so often would make me think it'll be important somehow in the long run.

Ari

[Kiwiccan]

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Originally posted by AnGeL X:

Also, to clarify on earlier comments regarding Willow's power compared to Tara's... that wasn't so much an opinion of mine as it was something expressed from the scripts. The "10 times" thing was more my own exaggeration, but the show seems to identify Willow as the stronger of the two, something both Wicca's and the whole gang seem to recognize.

-Michelle

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Thank you for all the info you have given us so far.

Well now, personally I'm in the camp that Tara is hiding real her power. I think Tara has the ability to be a way badass wicca, but she is holding back. And yes I think it has to do with her past and her family (mom, grandmother). There is more to little miss Tara than we know. I hope we find out soon.

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[xita]

Thanks AngelX it is great news that Tara isn't in 15, I think that brings us closer to the total eps for last year and it is of the good. As soon as I had heard ep 15 was a Riley ep, I felt sure there was too much going on for them to waste a Tara appearance in. And I love hearing that Willow will have good things in the ep. I loved Buffy and Willow's interaction last ep, I hope it continues.

Now, I am of the camp that Tara is what she says she is. I love tara, but I don't think she needs to be more powerful to be special. She's keen on that kind of thing and I think she is self aware. Her strength is in intuition and that is so much better than having raw power. And if it is in the script I think we should believe it.

And Kendahl I think you hit all the forshadowing lines. It will happen, faith in Joss.

[Hercules_The_Strong]

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Originally posted by BBOvenGuy:
Personally, I think Willow has most likely passed the worst part of her darkness.

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I disagree. Care to place a wager?

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[drlloyd11]

I will bet..
Your SOUL!!!
mwuwhwhwhw!

yes yes, we all know the story, tara dies, its willows fault but she blames Giles and Buffy.. whoopie..wala , Big bad Willow!

why did you come here Herc?

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Originally posted by Hercules_The_Strong:
I disagree. Care to place a wager?

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[xita]

It isn't about being right or wrong, it is about the show staying true to the characters.

[Hercules_The_Strong]

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Originally posted by drlloyd11:
I will bet..
Your SOUL!!!
mwuwhwhwhw!

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Come get some.
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[drlloyd11]

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Originally posted by Hercules_The_Strong:

Come get some.

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Good ash, bad ash,
I'm the one with the gun..

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[xita]

Herc what you bring is nothing new, you have made your view on who the big bad is since the beginning of the season. It isn't new, it's been discussed, no need for further discussion on it and that goes for everyone reading this thread, no need to discuss this one again.

[Lijdrec]

Rather simple if you ask me....

1] Jonathan - the guilt-ridden - sees the error of his ways.

2] Jonathan joins the Scoobies in their effort to thwart a Warren whose power is increasing.

3] Jonathan in a pivotal moment sacrifices his life for the Slayer (or Dawn or Willow) thus fulfilling his own redemption.

4] In their Grief for their sometime friend of 5 years, Willow and Buffy find renewed strength of purpose in their own lives.

[juri-sempai]

No Tara in episode 15 is good. I'm guessing it'll be a very Buffy/Spike/Riley centric episode. We don't need to waste Tara on episodes like that. Although, I love seeing her no matter what the situation.

I also think that there will be some good Willow/Tara moments in the wedding episode. Maybe not actual W/T interaction... but still good moments. Weddings are usually a time when people reflect about their own relationships and where they're headed. Willow and Tara both will probably be missing each other a whole lot. They'll start thinking about who they want to be with... which is each other. And ultimately, they'll start moving toward that goal.

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"Big day. I got places to be, big day. Need a brain."

[Hercules_The_Strong]

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Originally posted by xita:
Herc what you bring is nothing new, you have made your view on who the big bad is since the beginning of the season. It isn't new, it's been discussed, no need for further discussion on it and that goes for everyone reading this thread, no need to discuss this one again.

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I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is. But if Xita doesn't want me to, I won't discuss it here. Long Live Fantastico, and goodbye!quote:

[xita]

Herc if you have new news, feel free to post it. I saw a taunt on the board and that's just not the way of the board. It's not about bets, or who is right.

Any new news? Anything you haven't stated before? I would like to hear.

[Dr.G]

Herc, if you had something to say you might have wanted to say it right away, we went through all this with other people in the four previous threads already.

Anyway, thanks AngelX for the additional news.
No Tara in ep 15, well like most here I do not mind, more Tara and more specifically W/T for the rest of the season. I love the news about Willow, she better hurry up if she wants to be the big bad though.
I am looking forward to this ep, looking forward to seeing Willow (and I guess this means I will have to start watching again, heh) and to see what happens with Riley and Buffy as well.

Oh and drlloyd, you are turning into Bob , I like it, hmmmm...

*editing: Hmmph, too many smilies

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