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Postby Kendahl897 » Sat Jan 19, 2002 6:04 pm

OK, This is going to be alot off topic from what everyone is discussing right now, but I'm just curious. How do you think Willow and Tara are going to get back together? Will it be a slow kind of dating process, or will Willow do something heroic that proves her resolve to stop doing magic and her love for Tara? I've only been watching Buffy since Amber came on board, so I'm not really sure how they resolve this kind of stuff or how Joss' mind works...BTW, Deadly Matrimony, a Jack Reed film, is on Lifetime right now. Is Amber in that one?
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Postby topsmeghead » Sat Jan 19, 2002 6:25 pm

This may mean nothing, it may be nothing other than coincidence but over at the I.M.D.b they list Amber Benson as Tara Maclay 1999-2002 while the 3 originals (Sarah, Nic and Alyson) have no dates next to their name Emma is shown as 2000- and Michelle is also 2000- (i.e no until date)

Do they know something we don't?, i think i'll try to e-mail them.

[edit]Well, i e-mailed them and await their reply (if they send one) if they do send one i'll post it here.
Maybe it has something to do with the individual actors contract. [/edit]

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Postby Blixxt » Sat Jan 19, 2002 6:33 pm

We talked about this a few pages back, but I'll explain it again. About a month ago Amber Benson got accidentally removed from the credits of Buffy at the IMDB. Not in a "She's leaving the show" sort of way, but in a "It's as if she was never on the show at all" sort of way. This happened right after Wrecked aired, so apparently someone thought she was gone from the show. She's only just now been put back in, but once again it's incorrect. They are only supposed to add the (1998-2002) style notations when there is *official* information that a character is leaving, as opposed to character death rumors and whatnot. I emailed them about this, and it's supposed to get changed back around January 29th.

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Postby Warduke » Sat Jan 19, 2002 6:34 pm

About IMDB, I'll repost what Bob said about it in one of the spoiler threads...

quote:

Yeah, the IMDB is dependent on information supplied by readers, so sometimes fan-generated rumors show up.

If I remember correctly, for a time they had Shannen Doherty listed in the Buffy cast as Giles's daughter - or another character with the last name "Giles" at any rate. Stuff like that happens.


So as you can see, what shows up at IMDB, is sometimes far from being to most accurate info out there quote:

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Postby SciFiAcid » Sat Jan 19, 2002 6:35 pm

Just so people don't start freaking out, IMDB gets most of it's information from submissions... fans. All you have to do is register and you can add just about anything you want. So please, lets not freak over that. Could just be someone jumping the gun... or an idiot... either way... calm breath... calm breath...

hehe... everyone's posting the same thing at the same time... hehe

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Postby BBOvenGuy » Sat Jan 19, 2002 6:43 pm

quote:
Originally posted by SciFiAcid:
hehe... everyone's posting the same thing at the same time... hehe

Yeah, and I didn't even have to be here.

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Postby Willow_watcher » Sat Jan 19, 2002 11:38 pm

Hi, I am new and I do not know if this has been mentioned before:

..I was wondering if when Willow used her power to restore Tara's mind, if some of Glory's power (or the rush from it) affected Willow or even increased her power. I know that initially, the spell took away her strength, but in the long run did it make her even more stronger taking some power that was possessed by Glory.
Up until that point, Willow's spells had been necessary to do battle against evil. But since then she has been on a "power trip" regardless of consequences...even threatening Giles...

I feel that Tara hiding her strength but after thinking about this possibility, I am wondering if Tara is stronger or not...

(I do not mean that I think Willow is evil or anything, I love Willow and Tara and want them together...but I wonder if this triggered her downward turn)

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Postby Coma » Sun Jan 20, 2002 1:02 am

This comes from the Spoiler Whore Zone

BUFFY INVESTIGATES SPIKE'S NEWFOUND ABILITY
TO ATTACK HER, ON "BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER" AIRING
TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 5 (8:00-9:00 P.M., ET/PT) ON UPN

"Dead Things" - Buffy investigates why Spike is suddenly able to attack her, despite the chip in his head. Meanwhile, Jonathan, Warren and Andrew try to frame Buffy for murder, on "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" airing TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 5 (8:00-9:00 p.m., ET/PT) on UPN.

Starring Sarah Michelle Gellar as Buffy Summers, Nicholas Brendon as Xander Harris, Alyson Hannigan as Willow Rosenberg, James Marsters as Spike, Emma Caulfield as Anya, Michelle Trachtenberg as Dawn Summers, Anthony Stewart Head as Rupert Giles and Amber Benson as Tara.

Guest starring are Danny Strong as Jonathan, Adam Busch as Warren, Tom Lenk as Andrew and Amelinda Embry as Katrina.

The episode was written by Steven S. DeKnight and directed by James A. Contner. It carries a TV 14 parental guideline.


Ok question, anyone notice something different?
Yup Anthony Stewart Head as Rupert Giles
So is this correct or not, is ASH back for an ep?

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Postby AutumnT » Sun Jan 20, 2002 1:47 am

A lot of times press releases like this use a template. Just because a person is listed in it does not mean that they are.

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Postby EricAlan69 » Sun Jan 20, 2002 2:06 am

quote:
Originally posted by Coma:

Ok question, anyone notice something different?
Yup Anthony Stewart Head as Rupert Giles
So is this correct or not, is ASH back for an ep?

I noticed that in the TV listings on Yahoo! that they've included ASH in all the descriptions for this season thus far, regardles of whether this was after he left. I think that they just use a template, as noted above.

e.quote:

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Postby juri-sempai » Sun Jan 20, 2002 2:31 am

My opinion on the Tara-power thing is this: It's all about how she grew up. Magic wasn't allowed. I'm sure whatever her mother/grandmother taught her was done in secret. Kept very hush-hush. She wasn't given the opportunity to explore how truly powerful she was. Probably afraid she'd get punished by her dad if he found out she was practising.

She leaves home. Starts up with the magic. But she doesn't have the need (or maybe she doesn't want to because of something that could have happened to her mother) to see just how powerful she can be. Plus the fact that she respects magic very much.

Maybe Willow is more powerful. Maybe Tara is. Who knows? But my guess is that Tara herself doesn't even know how powerful she can be because she hasn't tried... combined with her already low self-esteem.

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Postby Still Waters Run Deep » Sun Jan 20, 2002 3:36 am

This whole 'is Tara stronger than Willow' speculation is intruiging. It seems to me that Willow is a little like a child with a new toy [or a kitten with a new BtVS box set!] Its a case of more more more, watch it over and over, get to grips and 'master' the technology. when of course, anyone who has ever been to college remembers the boring repetetive tasks one had to fully understand before moving on. Willow is like, been there, done that, whats next. She's flying too high toofast without a proper understanding and appreciation of her 'art'.

Tara on the other hand appears to have a perfect understanding of what majic is, what it's seated in, wher it comes from and what happens if it is misused. Time and time from S4 onward we have heard her council caution in its use.

For me Tara has buried her power, perhaps unconsciously, because she knows what it can do, but ulimately she will be the more powerfull, because she wisely understands fully what it means to wield that much power.

Read/see Lord of the Rings for a similar sub-plot!

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Postby drlloyd11 » Sun Jan 20, 2002 4:58 am

Hi kids..
While once or twice we may have learned someting new (the episodes of faith in angel s1 were there early on ) it is a fan generated listing.
I updated the data base once before (when she vansished) and there is chance I even put 2002 (the interface is not so brilant) trying to fill in all fields. So ignore this one.

quote:
Originally posted by Blixxt:
We talked about this a few pages back, but I'll explain it again. About a month ago Amber Benson got accidentally removed from the credits of Buffy at the IMDB. Not in a "She's leaving the show" sort of way, but in a "It's as if she was never on the show at all" sort of way. This happened right after Wrecked aired, so apparently someone thought she was gone from the show. She's only just now been put back in, but once again it's incorrect. They are only supposed to add the (1998-2002) style notations when there is *official* information that a character is leaving, as opposed to character death rumors and whatnot. I emailed them about this, and it's supposed to get changed back around January 29th.

[This message has been edited by Blixxt (edited January 19, 2002).]


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Postby SJ » Sun Jan 20, 2002 7:25 am

To answer the question as to how will Willow&Tara get back together IMO Willow will be doing a lot of wooing.
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Postby Dr.G » Sun Jan 20, 2002 8:55 am

Heh, I hope so SJ, preferably often and in public.
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Postby katydid » Sun Jan 20, 2002 9:06 am

Woo hoo...only have to wait until Feb 5 for a Tara episode. Hopefully Willow will be doing some groveling in that ep...I would like to see a step torwards reconciliation soon.

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Postby kitten scout » Sun Jan 20, 2002 9:32 am

I hope Willow does a lot of wooing and says "I love you" over and over. I really hope on Feb 5th that Tara gives Willow a sign that they still have a chance.

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Postby Kendahl897 » Sun Jan 20, 2002 8:10 pm

Let me make sure I've got this right. Tara is not in episode 12, but she is in 13 and 14, not 15 and then back again in 16, right? Then maybe out one more show but in all the rest? You know it just won't make sense to have her in all those shows if she's not interacting with Willow and the other scoobies, and if she's going to be interacting with Willow, you'll going to have all of that sexual tension that's going to have to be resolved at some point. If she's going to be on that show, she's going to have to be with Willow, because the chemistry and love is too strong to have them be "just friends".. Make sense? I think this bodes well for our girls, especially with Miss Kitty returning to the show.....

I just have a quick aside to add to that last post. Am I the only one out there ( and I'm sure I'm not),who believes that there is just no way Joss would pass up the opportunity to explore things he was never allowed to show on the WB by having our girls get together again. You know, a real date , first awkward kiss, etc. Just kind of an in your eye to the WB....Just a thought...

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Postby BBOvenGuy » Sun Jan 20, 2002 9:40 pm

It depends on how much time he has. The episodes left in the season are running out, there's a Big Bad windup of some sort that will necessarily be going on, things will continue to develop with Buffy and Spike, and there would appear to be a Xander/Anya arc heating up. Willow and Tara might end up fading into the background for a while.

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Postby tyche » Mon Jan 21, 2002 3:34 am

Marti Noxon inteview from salon.com:
quote:
"Buffy" honcho says loves help define heroine
By Kate O'Hara
The hardest character to write is the hero. "She can change" says Buffy the
Vampire slayer executive producer Marti Noxon,. But she can't change much.
"You find ways to make them sympathetic and dramatic".but in a way the other
characters really are there to inform her and reflect her." In Buffy's (Sarah
Michelle Gellar's) life so far, she has had three major romantic
relationships; with tortured vampire-with-a-soul Angel (David Boreanaz); with
stand-up soldier boy Riley(Marc Blucas); and a love-hate liaison with vampire
Spike (James Marsters). Introduced in Season Two, as part of a duo with
vampire Drusilla (Juliet Landau), Spike functioned as a foil for Angel and a
witty foe for Buffy. He was added as a regular in Season Four: Rendered
harmless by a government-implanted microchip in his brain, he threw in with
Buffy, trading information for protection. Through Season Five and Six, the
puppyish devotion he once had for Drusilla has been transferred to Buffy.
Spike's affection for Buffy might seem bizarre for a soulless vampire, but for
the foundation established by his relationship with Drusilla and by a
revelation that he was a lovelorn poet in life. "Yeah," Noxon says, "he's a
puppy. . He was a softy in life. Once He's devoted, he's really devoted."
"The thing that is also part of his nature now is that he's devoted for all
the wrong kinds of things. Part of the reason he's attracted to Buffy is
because she gives him such a good pain." Also once in Buffy's thrall was
Angel. "I think of Angel as a masculine icon, an ideal," Noxon says. "On our
show, he was reflective of a pre-adolescent, romantic fantasy. "Spike is much
more about the real kind of relationships we delve into when we're at college
age, the really-working-our-stuff-out kind of relationships. It seems to me
that so many people at that age choose relationships that are doomed to fail,
but also, somehow, they work some of their demons out. "To me Spike is more
real. It was wonderful and fun to write a lot of the Buffy-Angel stuff,
because it was just complete fantasy. . To me, that's a very young girl's
ideal man. Then later, as women get older, it seems like they often pick the
bad boys."

Hmm. I thought women were supposed to grow out of dating bad boys. And it's kind of depressing that she defines Buffy in relation to men...

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Postby Superstar » Mon Jan 21, 2002 5:44 am

Just a quick comment on the whole idea of Willow "wooing" Tara. I really don't see it happening myself. I mean, it would be nice to see and all, but the thing about their relationship is, the love is still there, what's missing is the trust. And I don't see how you restore that with flowers and candy and such.
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Postby Scout » Mon Jan 21, 2002 6:36 am

quote:
Originally posted by tyche:
"To me Spike is more real..."

Just makes you wonder what kind of relationships Marti had when she was in college.

As for the wooing, I agree that their major issue is trust, not love. But Tara isn’t going to just throw herself at Willow once she’s become reassured that Willow is trying to change. This topic has been explored a great deal in fanfic, and I can see where the girls would need to slowly reintroduce themselves to each other as Tara begins to regain her trust in Willow. In that scenario, you could see a good bit of wooing going on as the girls work at becoming more comfortable with one another.

Unfortunately, Joss and Co. won’t be able to dedicate as much time to the process as we’d like. It might end up getting rushed like the reunion in “The Gift” where a lot of the reconciling and healing was done offscreen.


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Postby tyche » Mon Jan 21, 2002 8:19 am

From the NY Daily news, courtesy of the Cross & Stake spoiler board:
quote:

http://www.nydailynews.com/2002-01-21/N ... 138820.asp

'Buffy'/'Angel' Connection Lives On

His shows air on different networks, but writer-producer Joss Whedon isn't ruling out a crossover next season between UPN's "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and the WB's "Angel."

The two series, once schedule mates on WB, were separated this season after "Buffy" was snapped up by UPN following a nasty public negotiation over renewal fees. Because of the attention the dispute generated, it was thought there would never again be a connection between the shows.

"It's not something we're pursuing this year, but it's something we might get into next year if things have cooled down between the two networks," Whedon said.

Besides the dispute, Whedon said it was important that each show stand alone.

"I don't need to have any more crossovers," he said. "Next year we might look at seeing if we can do one."

"Buffy" launched on WB in 1997; the spinoff "Angel" started two years later.

"Buffy's" move to UPN, while risky, has so far turned out fine for Whedon and the network.

"We had some factors working in our favor," Whedon said. "UPN really came out swinging. They really promised and delivered a great deal of support. They put passion in it. Our fan base is not huge, but it is hugely loyal. I knew they would follow us."

As for the show, Whedon said he and the writing team have never been more excited about the narrative.

"We always try, sometimes we fall short, but by and large, we're happy with this season," he said. "It's just the way the story has been going. We just got into a groove."

For viewers new to the show and devoted fans, Fox Home Entertainment has just released the first season of "Buffy" on DVD. The collection, according to Whedon, has been out in England for a while.

The three-disk set was not, however, a chance for Whedon to go back in and tinker with the original episodes. There is an interview with Whedon and other features, but no major changes to any of the shows, he said.

"I am not a big fan of the director's cut," Whedon said. "There's a lot of self-indulgence there. Directors throw in everything they've got.

"In television, you are forced to bring it down to 43 minutes and change. You end up cutting the fat. [In production] we may lose one or two scenes, and it always flows better without them."

Richard Huff


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Postby morgan1707 » Mon Jan 21, 2002 8:52 am

Someone at TBCS posted a "confirmed" message that ANYA DIES! The person who posted it claimed to have read the script. Until AngelX or someone reliable posts something confirming this, I just don't believe it.

But, if Xander is going to get more screentime that has been promised, this is probably the way to do it. If it does - then I'm not certainly not happy about.

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Postby GiftofAmber » Mon Jan 21, 2002 11:25 am

Regarding the "Anya dies" spoiler, keep in mind the poster misspelled D'Hoffryn and refused to post the episode number. Wouldn't someone who saw the script know how to spell D'Hoffryn???
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Postby morgan1707 » Mon Jan 21, 2002 11:34 am

More Anya dies spoilage... AngelX also posted this: "Uh... yeah. Real convincing." Perhaps she knows something we don't? Well, wishful thinking...

Ok the episode I cannot tell you where she dies because of the legal things and coz i promised. (Note: Yeah, whatever. That's definitely something new) But you won't be disappointed. The gift is something from Anya's past. She does die a horrible death (decapitaion? Stabbed? etc - I'll keep u hanging) but she doesn't get resurrected. The thing is: no one knows, or cares that she is dead. They give it up and think. "oh anya's dead so what" kind of thing. There is a reason why Anya dies, not anything random. Something to do with Buffy, Spike and Buffy's mom. There is also a INCREDIBLE end to this ep where a surprise guest shows up.

Xander has been engaged to her, Tara and her are friends, but no-one cares? Hmm... really?

And how exactly is it connected to Buffy's mother, and Spike and Buffy?

Is it even worth bothering with?

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Postby mariacomet » Mon Jan 21, 2002 11:56 am

Grain of salt, is all I have to say...but...FINALLY something other than TARA dies rumours
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Postby Scout » Mon Jan 21, 2002 12:19 pm

I thought the same thing. Nothing against Anya cause I love her character, but it’s like a breath of fresh air to hear that someone else is the target for a while. Let them harp on that for a bit and give us a breather.
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Postby Dr.G » Mon Jan 21, 2002 12:46 pm

Yeah well let them harp elsewhere. This scenario sounds as believeable as Tara dying because someone somewhere said so, I'm no more inclined to consider it. Bleh, someone may just be curious to see in how many places this pops up as a 'spoiler'. hurrah. And what did AngelX say exactly Morgan, in what context? That brief quote sounds rather sarcastic. Anyway, as stated in the first post of this thread, maybe we should not discuss a possible scoobie death yet, until there are some -uhm- less vague spoilers that is.

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Postby BBOvenGuy » Mon Jan 21, 2002 1:35 pm

Yes, what G-Man said. AnGeL X sounds pretty sarcastic to me. Too bad it's a lot harder to use the smiley over at the C&S.

I don't find this Anya death rumor any more convincing than the Tara death rumors have been, really. Not yet, anyway.

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