General Season 6 Spoilers - Part 6 - The Bermuda Triangle

[lion + dove]

just a couple of quick comments.
i love the wedding epi's title Hell's Bells.

on reunification and place:
has anyone else been following the history of Tara's amazing crocheted bedspread (offwhite with a red undersheet if i'm not mistaken)? [please correct any mistakes you see- it's late and my b.g. is wonky]. i first noticed it in Tara's equally amazing season 4 dormroom (don't ask, always notice dorm room linen). in season 5 it made it's way to W/T's dormroom. in season 6, it was in W/T's bedroom in the Summers house. AND, and! it still was there in Willow's bedroom after Tara packed and left.

there's a great expression here in the south called "splitting the quilt" (refers to breaking up/divorce). but see Tara left her quilt behind and Willow still uses it. (maybe it's lazy set decorating, but I highly doubt it.) so I'm thining this leaves no question concerning the possibility (definitely) and place of their reunification.

sorry if this has been brought up before. what are ya'll's thoughts?

ps- I remember seeing the quilt in earlier episodes (maybe season 3, pre-Tara season 4) while watching syndication repeats as a tablecloth- I want to say either the Magic Box or someplace with similar vibe. am I crazy or can someone else confirm this?

pps- hi all. back from my month long MIA. hope everything is wonderful with everyone.

[drlloyd11]

Marti said Miss Kitty Ran away
(I think they are messing with us)

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[Scout]

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Originally posted by juri-sempai:
Joss on the whereabouts of Miss Kitty Fantastico: "My feeling is that they left her with Willow's mom and when Amber moved out she took her back."

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Does that mean Tara has supposedly met Willow's mother? Still wish we could see some interaction between the girls and Willow's family.

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[Dr.G]

Ah me too Scout. Of course we do not get to see everything that goes on in their lives *cough*tastefulshowerscene*cough* , so what Joss said could have happened, why not? I like the idea actually. And bad Amber, eating the cat. Tssk.

[RomanceJunky]

Lion+Dove,

Your NOT the only one. I too have noticed and followed the history of Tara'a bedspread, and believe me, it has not escaped my attention that she left it behind when her and Willow parted ways. (Wish I could say it's because I'm a southern girl too, but I can honestly say I've never heard of splitting the quilt, though I do own a couple myself; one made by my mother and another by my Grandmother.) I do feel that it was signifacant. You'll also notice there are several pictures from her dorm room she left behind as well, not just the 'Blonde' poster over their bed.

RJ

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"Next year...shits gonna go down...her relationship with Tara will continue---but the course of True Love is never easy."
Joss Whedon-"OUT" magazine, August 2001

[Scout]

I agree - I think the fact that Tara has left behind almost all her things (besides some articles of clothing) seems to be a less-than-subtle way of saying that Tara has chosen to spend some time away from Willow, but hasn’t chosen to permanently remove herself from Willow’s life. I think it would have been more ominous if all of Tara’s stuff had suddenly disappeared from Willow’s room. IMO, ME is clearly indicating that the girl’s separation is meant to be seen as only temporary.

[maudmac]

Hey. I just read at TWoP that David Fury confirmed at the PBP that HE'S writing episode 22. Is this confirmed by anyone reliable?

[AutumnT]

I think Fury is pretty damn reliable.

[Wiccagrrl]

Yeah, I wasn't sure if the question was "Has someone besides Fury said this" or "Do we know for sure Fury said this."

[xita]

Yes I posted this earlier in the thread, Fury himself posted at the betabronze:

So, god bless... wish you were here... Must go home and finish ANGEL 19, so I can get started on a story for BUFFY 22.

Arguing yesterday in chat whether starting "a story" meant he was writing it or if he was working on it with someone but I think it means he's writing it.

[Kendahl897]

I wish we would get some more spoilers soon. The suspense is killing me, especially after that wonderful little tidbit from DSM. Can't wait for that one...........

[The Rose]

Why isn't Joss writing the season finale? This will be the first time since Buffy has been on that he hasn't written it. Joss has only written one ep this season.

[Wiccagrrl]

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Originally posted by Kendahl897:
I wish we would get some more spoilers soon. The suspense is killing me, especially after that wonderful little tidbit from DSM. Can't wait for that one...........

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I am SO with you on that one. This spoiler drought is getting really old. At least we got that one tidbit, which is great.

As for Joss not writing the finale, I'm gonna say here what I did at the BC&S. I'm not surprised. I had the impression he was only scheduled to do the musical. And while I would have loved to see him do the finale, I'm actually more interested in what's gonna happen next year (which, in all likelihood will be the last) I hope, and really expect, that he'll be more involved/at the helm next year, handling how things get wrapped up. If that means a slightly less Joss-y year this year, that's fine by me.

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[Lijdrec]

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Originally posted by xita:
Fury himself posted at the betabronze:

So, god bless... wish you were here... Must go home and finish ANGEL 19, so I can get started on a story for BUFFY 22.
....but I think it means he's writing it.

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Wanna take bets on the name/theme of the final ep? I think it will have something to do with Mustard or the color, Yellow (cowardice?). Though Dry-Cleaning might figure prominently!!
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[AutumnT]

OK, I was over at the spoiler slayer this weekend - and I do appreciate the way that site compiles things - I know it's a lot of work to scour the various haunts for new tidbits. However, I find it curious at to why after you post a spoiler that is wrong and then retract it after it is very obvious to everyone that you are wrong you still get ranked 100% accurate for original spoilers.

I will admit to occasional continued bouts of bitterness. I think I caught it from Ruth. I know I should have had the proper protection in reading her posts but I got careless. It happens.

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I have the sudden urge to dedicate my productive cooperation.

[Wiccagrrl]

Yeah, those rankings have always seemed very odd to me. Do appreciate the site very much, though. It's a great reference site for what's out there, I just don't always agree with some of the conclusions.

[xita]

Autumn it would be fine to retract I guess if you do it on your own but not because you have been contradicted by more reliable spoilers. Clearly you were wrong and your sources are untrustworthy.

[maudmac]

Okay, this isn't strictly spoiler-related. I'm trying to do some math here. "As You Were" is on Feb. 26th. "Hell's Bells" is on March 5th. So that will leave 6 episodes (17-22). I assume the last 4 episodes will be in May. So this means that from March 12 to April 30 there will be 2 new episodes. Eight weeks with only 2 new episodes. Am I right? I know this isn't news, I just want to make sure I understand the timeline.

I hope some muses are packing for a loooong stay at Ruth's and Lisa's houses because I'll be living on the Pens board this Spring.

[the literary exterminator]

Yeah, but this happens every year. The last couple of years, there haven't been any new episodes at all in March, and one could argue that this year's March ep is due to this upcoming week's pre-emption.

[Tensai]

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Originally posted by AutumnT:
However, I find it curious at to why after you post a spoiler that is wrong and then retract it after it is very obvious to everyone that you are wrong you still get ranked 100% accurate for original spoilers.

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Before I answer, I would like to say that I do consider myself a guest of this board. I know this reply is only continuing the entire 'BSD' argument, but I felt I needed to address Autumn's comments. I'm sorry to bring it up, but I do feel a need to defend myself (though I would much rather this be addressed via e-mail)

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I actually cover this in the Slayer Question section of the site. I am flexible, and allow sites to make changes within a 'week' of the airdate of an episode. Unless it becomes a habit, which in Wendy's case it is not.

Trust me, if we reach the end of the season and there is no BSD, I'll definitely have some things to say (and it will affect how much weight I put behind some site's spoilers).

-Tensai (trying to avoid the wrath of Warduke) quote:

[lion + dove]

Tensai- what former/current Buffyverse actors do you think are being considered for Firefly especially Kitten friendly ones?

for some reason I think Robia La Morte is being considered for the role of the "companion". I think she could do the role (as in I see her in it). And she showed up at the PBP.
edited to add: sorry about that Tensai, just read your Sunday update (I hadn't before because I didn't see it listed on the front page).

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[BBOvenGuy]

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Originally posted by Tensai:
Trust me, if we reach the end of the season and there is no BSD, I'll definitely have some things to say (and it will affect how much weight I put behind some site's spoilers).

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Ah... but what's the definition of a "BSD?" If Jonathan or Amy or Tito... or even Warren, for that matter... kicks the bucket, will you consider that close enough? Because you can bet there will be some people claiming that it is and that they successfully predicted it.

Feel free to ignore me, by the way. I have qualms about "rating" spoiler sources to begin with, so I may just be grumbling for grumbling's sake...

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Remember the Kitten Board Mantra: "Joss is nuts about Tara, Willow/Tara and Amber!"
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[AutumnT]

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Originally posted by Tensai:
I am flexible, and allow sites to make changes within a 'week' of the airdate of an episode.

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Don't worry about defending yourself, it was just a question I was curious about. You're not the one that was insisting on things that were not true. I guess you just cut people a lot more slack than I would when it comes to things that they claim for months and then retract only when it is obvious they are wrong. Seems like the easy way out to me. I would not rank them 100% accurate, but that is me and how I judge spoiler folks. I've always been of the philosophy that if you are going to insist on a spoiler than you should stand by it. That's the way I've always done things. No "Oopsie I was lied to" or "they changed their minds". If it is tentative then frankly it is not a spoiler. It is guesswork and should never be labeled as a spoiler. It's easy to say Anya will die a horrible bloody death and then retract it the week before an episode airs. I haven't given out an incorrect Buffy spoiler yet this season. If I did that, would I be 100% accurate still?

I'm not trying to put you on the defensive, really. I am just really curious about this philosophy.

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I have the sudden urge to dedicate my productive cooperation.quote:

[Tensai]

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Originally posted by BBOvenGuy:
Ah... but what's the definition of a "BSD?" If Jonathan or Amy or Tito... or even Warren, for that matter... kicks the bucket, will you consider that close enough?

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With a spoiler of this magnitude, it's going to have to be someone strongly considered a Scooby. Which could include Amy, but certainly not Jonathan or Tito. While Herc might have cast a wide net, Wanda is tightening it.

No matter what, if there isn't any death, we're going to have to give major credit to Mutant Enemy for pulling off the Spoiler Coup of the entire series. They will have managed to snooker practically every major spoiler source. That's quite an accomplishment.

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[xita]

Or maybe the spoiler gatherers didn't check their sources carefully enough. And tensai who decides who qualifies as a scoobie? you? Could you make a list of who qualifies before the fact so that it is less biased?

Also, honestly I think the ranking system becomes unreliable if take backs are allowed. I said it above, but if the spoiler is withdrawn because a more reliable spoiler source has contradicted it, then the spoiler source who gave that out should take a hit for that. Example: Sweetie says dawn invites Spike to the party, contradicted by AngelX info. Sweetie withdraws spoiler. Wouldn't you have to question Sweetie's sources when she was calling that a spoiler? With this cushion, the ranking becomes meaningless.

That aside, I side with Bob in having qualms about ratings, it has encouraged certain behavior that is really not a pleasant side to fandom. But, I do appreciate all the gathering of the spoilers and keeping track of all the sooilers.

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[tommo]

Heh. Neener neener neener. Autumn's got "the bitterness". You have to love that.

I'm glad in my absence you were holding two fingers aloft, as is the bitter way.

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Sweetie...I'm a fag.

[willowflower]

Oh my god, is this true?

On another board I heard a terrible rumour. Someone said Aly will be leaving the show because she doesn`t feel liked by the fans anymore.
I`m really depressed now because I`m a big Aly fan. What`s your opinion? Do you think this rumour is true or is it just someone who wants to make Aly fans mad?
However, I think it`s possible that Alyson will leave because on several boards I read posts in which people say Willow is so annoying and they should kill her off. If Alyson reads these posts she might be tempted to leave the show. If I were her I really would leave. She is such a great actress and deserves better than these posts. Now I know why she was afraid to come out at the PBP.
And then there`s Tara. Everyone loves Tara and praises Amber now because she spends so much time with her fans. I have to excuse Alyson there, I think she can`t talk as much as Amber with her fans because she is far more famous than her because of the American Pie movies. And the more famous you are the more dangerous it is to talk with fans. That`s why SMG never comes to fan meetings.
I really hope you know if this rumour is true, hopefully it`s not true.
I hate this persons on other boards who make such mean posts about Willow and Aly.
They should rather kill off sexmonster Spike than Willow.
I love you Aly.

[morgan1707]

The Partyman over at TBCS Message Board posted this spoiler:

Joyce will be in episode 17.

Don't know whether it's true or not, but I hope so! I miss Kristine!

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Originally posted by willowflower:
Oh my god, is this true?

On another board I heard a terrible rumour. Someone said Aly will be leaving the show because she doesn`t feel liked by the fans anymore.
I`m really depressed now because I`m a big Aly fan. What`s your opinion? Do you think this rumour is true or is it just someone who wants to make Aly fans mad?

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Don't worry, hun, everything will be fine. The same rumour floated around this time last year, saying Alyson would be leaving for a few episodes in Season 6. Turned out not to be true, so don't worry about it.

First they say Tara will die, then they say Alyson is leaving. Will they give up?

Can we say, "bored now"?

*please remember people, do not double post, edit your first post and add anything new in that one instead.

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[tommo]

Ha! See, the "Tara dies" rumours are inevitably followed by "Alyson's leaving" rumours. I love that. Predictable and yes, mildly irritating.

Look, nobody's leaving. Nobody's dying. And why am I blithely optimistic? Well...mainly because the whole Willow/Tara arc is compelling viewing. And the writers love them. And Joss loves them. But you know, most of all...the audience loves them.

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Sweetie...I'm a fag.

[drlloyd11]

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Originally posted by Tensai:
While Herc might have cast a wide net, Wanda is tightening it.

-Tensai

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Remember, Herc cast the wide net because he heard there was a death in Dead Things but it wasnt a scooby (he has crappy sources, so did not know it was Katrina) he assumes a core scoob dies, and wanted to think of some way to make this work. So he assumed that the person to die would be kicked out of the scoobs..
The point (I think I still have one) is that Herc cast the net wide to avoid "giving away" his spoiler.
BTW, Thanks for dropping by Frank!

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