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Originally posted by Mary Poppins:
However something someone mentioned above about filming in the amusment park made me think about Xanders comment to Will when she speaks to him telepathically in Bargaining Pt 1. (Something like) 'I know I don't have to speak to answer you Will but I saw the Fury and that way lies spooky carnival death!'
Now correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the Fury climax at some kind of amusment park/ carnival? Also (I can't remember it too well) wasn't the plot of that film about teenagers (twins?) with huge powers, flying, manipulation objects,telepathy, mind control whom in the end either are or could potentially be destroyed by their own powers.
dude! firstly, hi mp, secondly, i NEVER would of thought of that. clever clever clever. have a swell day.
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Posts: 8 Registered: Mar 2002 | posted March 26, 2002 09:00 Don't know if anyone else caught this, but I just read on Buffy's Domain of Delight that Steven DeKnight commented on the Beta Bronze that there is going to be a two part episode about the big diamond that powered the invisible ray gun. Here's the web address - http://www.buffysdomain.com/spoiler/ It's a little more than halfway through the article. IP: Logged |
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Posts: 95 Registered: Mar 2002 | posted March 26, 2002 09:25 quote: Originally posted by Alicat: Don't know if anyone else caught this, but I just read on Buffy's Domain of Delight that Steven DeKnight commented on the Beta Bronze that there is going to be a two part episode about the big diamond that powered the invisible ray gun. Here's the web address - http://www.buffysdomain.com/spoiler/ It's a little more than halfway through the article.
I don't put much faith in Buffy's Domain of Delight. Their spoilers, if you can call 'em that, are highly unreliable. Their spoilers for the end of S6 were recently proven 98% wrong on DarkHorizons.com (see page 1 of this spread). And any information they DO get right comes from our own AnGelX and BBOvenGuy (Michelle and Bob). Although I find it suspect that they also link to Aint-It-Cool-News, and Herc (who also drinks at the fountain of AnGelX these days) hasn't posted anything in months. (And how interesting that Wanda at eOnline won't say anything until she posts her interview on Friday with Marti?) Unless they have a link to the BetaBronz where DeKnight himself makes the comment, you can pretty much fuggedabouddit. [This message has been edited by Corinthian (edited March 26, 2002).] IP: Logged |
helpful information unregistered | posted March 26, 2002 09:26 Web Warlock etal,I believe TVSurfer made Mr DeKnight well aware of fan's concerns with this seasons story lines in general and the up coming willow:tara story line in particular. ME's putting the "lesbian cliche" on screen when they were on record as to knowing of it and planning to stay away from it was also pointed out. TVS made DeKnight aware of this and other sites for proper edification as too fans feelings. I believe TVS's post on the bronze beta to DeKnight and DeKnights response were reposted on one of this boards spoiler threads. If I may add my own thoughts to TVS's here, ME has NOT been creative this year in any artistic way. The premise of the season is flawed. the scoobies were grown up by end of season 5. more grown up than most adults in fact. they were all willing to take on responsibility for those they loved AND the world. In fact ME has simply taken the easy way out and cribed/remade last years series out line. but they've remade it as tara pointed out to xander in ep 3 this year, "looking at it from the other side" All the major event markers of last years story can be found mirrored in this years story line. Giles goes to england and sunnydale goes to trolls/demons and nerds. troll hammer and ray guy. upset dawn who throws a buffy birthday tantrum, buffy has boyfriend trouble, catatonic buffy, willow and tara fight and tara goes brain dead/dead sending willow to black magic for vengeance and buffy to spike to care for dawn etc They have simply twisted the characters in a rather ham handed and IMO not pleasant way. Both the Buffy and Willow characters have been sullied by writers acting like children. Children who created a beautiful sand sculpture and then kicked their creation to pieces spewing sand into the faces of those watching. Buffy has faced the ultimate big bad a god, and died in victory over her. How do you top that? Hard to have a bigger bad than a god, so if not a greater enemy, then what is left for buffy to defeat for the big finish? Answer - add some personal demons and up the scoobie carnage. They destroyed the hero's characters and will up the scoobie deaths for the big finish. IMO it doesn't matter if there will be a reset for buffy to 'save the day' and restore the buffyverse/her friends. for all we know She may well have to destroy her ties to her friends/they die so she can awake in her ward and find a way to join her noral and slayer selves to restore dimensional order. doesn't matter The writers will have already destoyed what was good in the series and played the characters as pawns in a degrading and destructive fashion. Watching hero's turned into sex addicts, junkies and killers on the destructive vengeance war path will leave a scar on the viewers minds that will forever taint the show and its characters no matter how the writers try and rehab them after all, as the writers have pointed out ever so clearly now, one would have to be a nutter in a psyche ward to believe a woman could be a super hero and have a group of friends with super powers who together save the world a lot
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ROCHarlot unregistered | posted March 26, 2002 09:44 Hello. I lurk at this board a lot and enjoy it immensely. I especially like having one place to go for all the spoilers a grrrrl can handle. LOL.I have thoroughly enjoyed S6. It has been dark, difficult...it has also been, for me, entertaining, provocative and I've enjoyed it. The show has made some mis-steps, but overall, it's as strong as it's ever been, for me. I so hope that Anya doesn't leave and Tara doesn't die. I adore Tara's character and the W/T relationship. But nothing is safe nor sacred in the Buffyverse. I'll hang on through the season. But I do find myself hoping S7 is the last season. I've been with the show since episode one and I find myself wanting it to go out strong, and, hopefully, with a happy ending. Take care, all you kitties. IP: Logged |
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Posts: 39 Registered: Feb 2002 | posted March 26, 2002 09:56 Thanks, Dr G - I didn't realise it had been answered in another thread. Shows again not to take notice of what's posted elsewhere!IP: Logged |
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Posts: 259 Registered: Oct 2000 | posted March 26, 2002 10:17 quote: Originally posted by Ari: Here's another thought about the notion of how much they have or haven't 'paid' for Buffy's resurrection.Okay, so what did they actually do wrong? Messed with dangerous powers beyond their comprehension and feasably beyond their control. That's mostly on Willow's head. She was the ring leader and it was clearly her own hubris that made her so sure she could do it. And that's something she's been paying for, for most of the season now. But I don't think you can discount what was motivating her. Because I think motivation actually counts a great deal. And she really did believe she was saving Buffy.
About Willow's motivation--the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I don't think the forces Willow is dealing with care what her intentions were, there is a price to pay. But i do agree that Willow, if not all the characters have been paying it all season and this payment hasn't fully come to a head yet, 'cause as we see from the spoilers, things get even worse. I don't know...I'm really unhappy about the spoilers because a)i love Tara, i don't want her to die. b)the lesbian cliche thing, i can't justify it in my mind, it's just too fucked up. But otherwise i enjoy the darkness of this season, it seems very true to life(my life atleast) things are unfair, things go to shit. That's what happens in real life and there is no ryhme or reason. But like i said, i have big issues with them killing Tara that don't have to do with the dark turn the series has taken. Edited to comment about the shooting at the amusement park and Xander's "spooky carnival death" line in Bargaining. I'm not sure about this, but I don't think they were using the amusement park as an amusement when they shot at, what was it, six flags i think? I think they were using one of their actractions as a set, i think i read somewehere it was a lagoon. Does anyone know anything about this shoot? Are the scenes shot at the amusement park actually supposed to take place at an amusement park in the scene? Not sure if i'm making any sense here. [This message has been edited by EvilAnya (edited March 26, 2002).] IP: Logged |
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Posts: 7 Registered: Jan 2002 | posted March 26, 2002 10:23 quote:
The premise of the season is flawed. the scoobies were grown up by end of season 5. more grown up than most adults in fact. they were all willing to take on responsibility for those they loved AND the world.
mmm...I disagree with that. In season 5, all the scoobies have been caught in a huge stream of great events : Dawn, Glory, Joye's death. They've been under pressure from nearly the start of the season to the very end. They didn't had any time to be themselve. To be on their own. I don't call that growing up. In all the first five season, the scoobies alway had a good reason not to think to much about themselve. Since S1, we know that the Scoobies can handle pressure but that doesn't mean that they are "grown up". Anyway, until now (I might change my mind after ep 19/20), I've really liked this season. Sure, there is angst and sorrow, sure the scoobies are reallys screwed up and have made big mistakes. Sure, there are way to "grow up" without darkness and sorrow. But it's not the happy life of the shiny happy people that I want to watch. But, as Wiccagrrl put it, angst for the sake of angst is really bad storytelling. What will the writters do whith an Evil Willow ? If EvilWillow is resolve in S6, that would mean that they've killed Tara just for a fast and furious final. It would be a betrayal of all what BtVS has been during 6 years (well, of my vision of BtVS ). And if Evil Willow is meant to be the big bad of S7, that mean either AH will drop from regular to guest or that she will appear in every episode of S7...So either they waste her talent by having her only in a few episode or they have a bad guy in all episodes of the season which would not be very credible. So something will happen. ME haven't disapointed me until now. I have faith. [This message has been edited by Lock5 (edited March 26, 2002).] IP: Logged |
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Posts: 17 Registered: Mar 2002 | posted March 26, 2002 10:40 Everyday I go to other boards and see the Kitten board praised or Kittens valiently defending the girls. The strength of this community is known all over the BTVS related web.The reactions to Tara dying have been from disbelief to shock to anger to resignation. This cannot have gone unrecognised by the famously internet literate writers at ME. I fear that ME have wrote themselves into a corner by bowing to fan pressure over the EvilWillow and Spuffy storylines. But I will impatiently wait until the season finale before I pass judgement. ------------------ What can't we face if we're together? [This message has been edited by Katie (edited March 26, 2002).] IP: Logged |
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Posts: 4561 Registered: Jan 2001 | posted March 26, 2002 10:49 Lock5, I just wanted to say amen to your last post, but adding that I do want to watch shiny happy W/T, lots of it. helpful information, it sounds to me like you have given up on the show already.[This message has been edited by Dr.G (edited March 26, 2002).] IP: Logged |
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Posts: 253 Registered: Jun 2001 | posted March 26, 2002 11:00 To be honest the eps I have seen so far this season I have really enjoyed. I was expecting from things I had read not to like my beloved Willow very much but the brittle frailty and vulnerability she has shown has proved to me that she is growing up and that is why this story line just seems so cruelIP: Logged |
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Posts: 39 Registered: Feb 2002 | posted March 26, 2002 12:07 I too, have enjoyed this season in general - so far. Willow and Tara have grown enormously. From those initial days when 'everything is so good that no-one thinks of arguing', they are now each prepared to state their own opinion. Contrast the Tara of Tough Love, who tried any way she could to get out of telling Willow that she had her doubts, to the Tara of TR who knew she had to take a stance even though it broke her heart. And similarly for Willow, who after the initial anger after Tara left (flaunting Amy as a partner who let her do magic) finally accepted what she had done wrong, and conquered her problem ALL BY HERSELF. Hell, if that isn't grown up I don't know what is. And so to the natural conclusion, they get together stronger than ever before for having faced the demons in their relationship. To end that with a gunshot is pathetic, and that's why I firmly believe that there is much, much more to this, and we will find out and be amazed (and hopefully delighted) in two months time! IP: Logged |
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Posts: 506 Registered: Oct 2001 | posted March 26, 2002 12:14 Ok.I have gone from sadness, to rage, to confusion, back to rage, to fleeting hope, several laps around confusion and back. So we need a little brightness around here. I called my friend “Pup Tentacle” (sorry, obscure Frank Zappa ref) and I asked about the future (cause that’s where he has been). So for your pleasure I present to you the Season 7 episodes. Following up on Season Six spectacular theme of “Oh Grow Up!”, Season 7’s theme is “I Got My Own Problems!” Ep7.1 The scoobies celebrate another victory over the forces of evil and party it up at the Bronz till the wee hours. The get up the next day to the horror that despite saving the world, again, they still have to go to work and go to school. Ep7.2 Dawn steals Tara magic books in an attempt to raise her SAT scores to get into a better school. Ep7.3 Buffy contemplates refinancing her mortgage in order to save some money. Ep7.4 Life catches up with Willow and Tara in the worse way possible. They realize that they are due to graduate in the spring and neither of them have declared a major! Ep7.5 Anya is pregnant! Ep7.6 Willow and Tara take on the ultimate horror as they try to file for domestic partner status in the State of California. Special guest star, Stephanie Romanov as Lilah. Ep7.7 Realizing she has been ignored for 5 weeks Dawn throws another fit. Ep7.8 Xander and Anya attempt to set up an IRA and college fund for their new baby. Tension mounts when Xander prefers a more stable Roth IRA account, while Anya wants a more aggressive Putnam one. Ep7.9 Halloween Taking a break from patrolling, Buffy stays at home and complains about “those noisy, damn kids” outside. Ep7.10 SPECIAL BLACK AND WHITE EPISODE! An ancient demon is summoned and turns everything Black and White. He is dispatched when the scoobies figure out he is just old, lonely and lost his way from the Dis retirement home. Ep7.11 Buffy’s dad and his “special friend” Trixie move into the Summers home to care for Buffy and Dawn. Tara and Willow move in with Xander and Anya. Trixie, who is younger than Buffy, insists that Buffy call her “mom”. That’s all I have now. If these are wrong, I’ll go back, edit my posts with the correct information and claim I was 100% right! Do not tie dye me! Warlock. ------------------ Web Warlock web.warlock@attbi.com webwarlock@planetadnd.com Author, the Netbooks of Witches and Warlocks The Other Side: http://www.xtreme-gaming.com/theotherside/ My Willow&Tara Pages: http://www.xtreme-gaming.com/theotherside/willtara.php Shadow Earth Games: http://www.rpghost.com/WebWarlock/ -- I'm ahead of my time. But only by a week. - Too Much Joy, "I Don't Know" IP: Logged |
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Posts: 8 Registered: Mar 2002 | posted March 26, 2002 12:19 Please forgive me, I'm brand new to the whole spoiler thing. After this season is over, I'm never reading another spoiler again. Anyway, I found AngelX's spoiler board today and was reading a banter about Tara's status for season 6, which BBOvenGuy had some great comments about. Someone said they had an inside source that Tara was off the show. How serious should one take this? I'm assuming not very but would just like some reassurance.By the way, I'm a huge movie, tv buff and was so excited that TPTB in Hollywood finally had a secure, happy lesbian relationship on tv. I'm highly disappointed at what will occur with Willow and Tara. I know it's only tv, but when you have only one lesbian couple in all of tv to watch, having them end so violently is a bit hard to stomach. I think that is why all of us are taking Tara's death so hard. If we had more lesbian couples or even lesbians for that matter to watch, it wouldn't seem like such a horrific lose. We could just turn the channel and watch our other favorite lesbian couples for comfort. There will be no channel to turn for comfort if Tara stays dead. IP: Logged |
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Posts: 435 Registered: Jun 2001 | posted March 26, 2002 12:24 Warlock, you cracked me up! I love that s7 speculation!!!!Patricia ------------------ "What are they looking at?" "The hotness of you, doofus!" IP: Logged |
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Posts: 642 Registered: Sep 2000 | posted March 26, 2002 12:31 I had a thought, yes it does happen, and I don’t have time this morning to slog through all the spoiler threads, so I’ll ask here and hopefully someone can enlighten me. Where, or better yet, from whom did the spoiler “Tara gets shot in her bedroom by Warren who is in the backyard with Buffy… and that is where he shoots Buffy” come from?I’m asking because, Willow and Tara’s room is actually in the front of the house from my recollection, so not only would the angel of shooting upward be awkward, but the bullet would have to go through Dawn’s room and into W/T’s room. Anyway, just need some enlightenment on this point. Probably has nothing to do with anything but I’ve got it stuck in a loop in my brain! ------------------ "Oh, man. I wish I WAS a lesbian. I would get laid every night for the rest of my life." ~ Amber Benson, Loveline 3/14/02 IP: Logged |
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Posts: 33 Registered: Mar 2002 | posted March 26, 2002 12:32 Now I ask why did they bring Amy back? Then After watching Doublemeat Palace I started to lok for clues.Amy is pissed off about how long it took Willow to bring her back and being Rack's favorite now.There are no spoiler's on her so far in EP'S 18-22 and the only clue's I have is she finds out in ep9 anya bieng a ex-demon.IN ep10 she meet's Tara and she is caught by buffy in will's room stealing stuff. So what part will Amy play in the last 5ep's.------------------
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Registered: Mar 2002 posted March 26, 2002 09:00
Don't know if anyone else caught this, but I just read on Buffy's Domain of Delight that Steven DeKnight commented on the Beta Bronze that there is going to be a two part episode about the big diamond that powered the invisible ray gun. Here's the web address - http://www.buffysdomain.com/spoiler/ It's a little more than halfway through the article.
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posted March 26, 2002 09:00 Don't know if anyone else caught this, but I just read on Buffy's Domain of Delight that Steven DeKnight commented on the Beta Bronze that there is going to be a two part episode about the big diamond that powered the invisible ray gun. Here's the web address - http://www.buffysdomain.com/spoiler/ It's a little more than halfway through the article.
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Registered: Mar 2002 posted March 26, 2002 09:25
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Originally posted by Alicat:
Don't know if anyone else caught this, but I just read on Buffy's Domain of Delight that Steven DeKnight commented on the Beta Bronze that there is going to be a two part episode about the big diamond that powered the invisible ray gun. Here's the web address - http://www.buffysdomain.com/spoiler/ It's a little more than halfway through the article.
I don't put much faith in Buffy's Domain of Delight. Their spoilers, if you can call 'em that, are highly unreliable. Their spoilers for the end of S6 were recently proven 98% wrong on DarkHorizons.com (see page 1 of this spread).
And any information they DO get right comes from our own AnGelX and BBOvenGuy (Michelle and Bob). Although I find it suspect that they also link to Aint-It-Cool-News, and Herc (who also drinks at the fountain of AnGelX these days) hasn't posted anything in months. (And how interesting that Wanda at eOnline won't say anything until she posts her interview on Friday with Marti?)
Unless they have a link to the BetaBronz where DeKnight himself makes the comment, you can pretty much fuggedabouddit.
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posted March 26, 2002 09:25 quote:
Originally posted by Alicat:
Don't know if anyone else caught this, but I just read on Buffy's Domain of Delight that Steven DeKnight commented on the Beta Bronze that there is going to be a two part episode about the big diamond that powered the invisible ray gun. Here's the web address - http://www.buffysdomain.com/spoiler/ It's a little more than halfway through the article.
I don't put much faith in Buffy's Domain of Delight. Their spoilers, if you can call 'em that, are highly unreliable. Their spoilers for the end of S6 were recently proven 98% wrong on DarkHorizons.com (see page 1 of this spread).
And any information they DO get right comes from our own AnGelX and BBOvenGuy (Michelle and Bob). Although I find it suspect that they also link to Aint-It-Cool-News, and Herc (who also drinks at the fountain of AnGelX these days) hasn't posted anything in months. (And how interesting that Wanda at eOnline won't say anything until she posts her interview on Friday with Marti?)
Unless they have a link to the BetaBronz where DeKnight himself makes the comment, you can pretty much fuggedabouddit.
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quote:IP: Loggedhelpful informationunregistered posted March 26, 2002 09:26
Web Warlock etal,I believe TVSurfer made Mr DeKnight well aware of fan's concerns with this seasons story lines in general and the up coming willow:tara story line in particular. ME's putting the "lesbian cliche" on screen when they were on record as to knowing of it and planning to stay away from it was also pointed out. TVS made DeKnight aware of this and other sites for proper edification as too fans feelings.
I believe TVS's post on the bronze beta to DeKnight and DeKnights response were reposted on one of this boards spoiler threads.
If I may add my own thoughts to TVS's here, ME has NOT been creative this year in any artistic way.
The premise of the season is flawed.
the scoobies were grown up by end of season 5. more grown up than most adults in fact. they were all willing to take on responsibility for those they loved AND the world.
In fact ME has simply taken the easy way out and cribed/remade last years series out line. but they've remade it as tara pointed out to xander in ep 3 this year, "looking at it from the other side"
All the major event markers of last years story can be found mirrored in this years story line. Giles goes to england and sunnydale goes to trolls/demons and nerds. troll hammer and ray guy. upset dawn who throws a buffy birthday tantrum, buffy has boyfriend trouble, catatonic buffy, willow and tara fight and tara goes brain dead/dead sending willow to black magic for vengeance and buffy to spike to care for dawn etc
They have simply twisted the characters in a rather ham handed and IMO not pleasant way.
Both the Buffy and Willow characters have been sullied by writers acting like children. Children who created a beautiful sand sculpture and then kicked their creation to pieces spewing sand into the faces of those watching.
Buffy has faced the ultimate big bad a god, and died in victory over her.
How do you top that?
Hard to have a bigger bad than a god, so if not a greater enemy, then what is left for buffy to defeat for the big finish?
Answer - add some personal demons and up the scoobie carnage. They destroyed the hero's characters and will up the scoobie deaths for the big finish.
IMO it doesn't matter if there will be a reset for buffy to 'save the day' and restore the buffyverse/her friends. for all we know She may well have to destroy her ties to her friends/they die so she can awake in her ward and find a way to join her noral and slayer selves to restore dimensional order. doesn't matter
The writers will have already destoyed what was good in the series and played the characters as pawns in a degrading and destructive fashion. Watching hero's turned into sex addicts, junkies and killers on the destructive vengeance war path will leave a scar on the viewers minds that will forever taint the show and its characters no matter how the writers try and rehab them
after all, as the writers have pointed out ever so clearly now, one would have to be a nutter in a psyche ward to believe a woman could be a super hero and have a group of friends with super powers who together save the world a lot
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posted March 26, 2002 09:26 Web Warlock etal,I believe TVSurfer made Mr DeKnight well aware of fan's concerns with this seasons story lines in general and the up coming willow:tara story line in particular. ME's putting the "lesbian cliche" on screen when they were on record as to knowing of it and planning to stay away from it was also pointed out. TVS made DeKnight aware of this and other sites for proper edification as too fans feelings.
I believe TVS's post on the bronze beta to DeKnight and DeKnights response were reposted on one of this boards spoiler threads.
If I may add my own thoughts to TVS's here, ME has NOT been creative this year in any artistic way.
The premise of the season is flawed.
the scoobies were grown up by end of season 5. more grown up than most adults in fact. they were all willing to take on responsibility for those they loved AND the world.
In fact ME has simply taken the easy way out and cribed/remade last years series out line. but they've remade it as tara pointed out to xander in ep 3 this year, "looking at it from the other side"
All the major event markers of last years story can be found mirrored in this years story line. Giles goes to england and sunnydale goes to trolls/demons and nerds. troll hammer and ray guy. upset dawn who throws a buffy birthday tantrum, buffy has boyfriend trouble, catatonic buffy, willow and tara fight and tara goes brain dead/dead sending willow to black magic for vengeance and buffy to spike to care for dawn etc
They have simply twisted the characters in a rather ham handed and IMO not pleasant way.
Both the Buffy and Willow characters have been sullied by writers acting like children. Children who created a beautiful sand sculpture and then kicked their creation to pieces spewing sand into the faces of those watching.
Buffy has faced the ultimate big bad a god, and died in victory over her.
How do you top that?
Hard to have a bigger bad than a god, so if not a greater enemy, then what is left for buffy to defeat for the big finish?
Answer - add some personal demons and up the scoobie carnage. They destroyed the hero's characters and will up the scoobie deaths for the big finish.
IMO it doesn't matter if there will be a reset for buffy to 'save the day' and restore the buffyverse/her friends. for all we know She may well have to destroy her ties to her friends/they die so she can awake in her ward and find a way to join her noral and slayer selves to restore dimensional order. doesn't matter
The writers will have already destoyed what was good in the series and played the characters as pawns in a degrading and destructive fashion. Watching hero's turned into sex addicts, junkies and killers on the destructive vengeance war path will leave a scar on the viewers minds that will forever taint the show and its characters no matter how the writers try and rehab them
after all, as the writers have pointed out ever so clearly now, one would have to be a nutter in a psyche ward to believe a woman could be a super hero and have a group of friends with super powers who together save the world a lot
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Hello. I lurk at this board a lot and enjoy it immensely. I especially like having one place to go for all the spoilers a grrrrl can handle. LOL.I have thoroughly enjoyed S6. It has been dark, difficult...it has also been, for me, entertaining, provocative and I've enjoyed it. The show has made some mis-steps, but overall, it's as strong as it's ever been, for me.
I so hope that Anya doesn't leave and Tara doesn't die. I adore Tara's character and the W/T relationship. But nothing is safe nor sacred in the Buffyverse.
I'll hang on through the season. But I do find myself hoping S7 is the last season. I've been with the show since episode one and I find myself wanting it to go out strong, and, hopefully, with a happy ending.
Take care, all you kitties.
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posted March 26, 2002 09:44 Hello. I lurk at this board a lot and enjoy it immensely. I especially like having one place to go for all the spoilers a grrrrl can handle. LOL.I have thoroughly enjoyed S6. It has been dark, difficult...it has also been, for me, entertaining, provocative and I've enjoyed it. The show has made some mis-steps, but overall, it's as strong as it's ever been, for me.
I so hope that Anya doesn't leave and Tara doesn't die. I adore Tara's character and the W/T relationship. But nothing is safe nor sacred in the Buffyverse.
I'll hang on through the season. But I do find myself hoping S7 is the last season. I've been with the show since episode one and I find myself wanting it to go out strong, and, hopefully, with a happy ending.
Take care, all you kitties.
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Registered: Feb 2002 posted March 26, 2002 09:56
Thanks, Dr G - I didn't realise it had been answered in another thread. Shows again not to take notice of what's posted elsewhere!IP: Logged
posted March 26, 2002 09:56 Thanks, Dr G - I didn't realise it had been answered in another thread. Shows again not to take notice of what's posted elsewhere!IP: LoggedEvilAnyaCool Monster Fighter
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Registered: Oct 2000 posted March 26, 2002 10:17
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Originally posted by Ari:
Here's another thought about the notion of how much they have or haven't 'paid' for Buffy's resurrection.Okay, so what did they actually do wrong? Messed with dangerous powers beyond their comprehension and feasably beyond their control. That's mostly on Willow's head. She was the ring leader and it was clearly her own hubris that made her so sure she could do it. And that's something she's been paying for, for most of the season now.
But I don't think you can discount what was motivating her. Because I think motivation actually counts a great deal. And she really did believe she was saving Buffy.
About Willow's motivation--the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I don't think the forces Willow is dealing with care what her intentions were, there is a price to pay. But i do agree that Willow, if not all the characters have been paying it all season and this payment hasn't fully come to a head yet, 'cause as we see from the spoilers, things get even worse.
I don't know...I'm really unhappy about the spoilers because a)i love Tara, i don't want her to die. b)the lesbian cliche thing, i can't justify it in my mind, it's just too fucked up. But otherwise i enjoy the darkness of this season, it seems very true to life(my life atleast) things are unfair, things go to shit. That's what happens in real life and there is no ryhme or reason. But like i said, i have big issues with them killing Tara that don't have to do with the dark turn the series has taken.
Edited to comment about the shooting at the amusement park and Xander's "spooky carnival death" line in Bargaining. I'm not sure about this, but I don't think they were using the amusement park as an amusement when they shot at, what was it, six flags i think? I think they were using one of their actractions as a set, i think i read somewehere it was a lagoon. Does anyone know anything about this shoot? Are the scenes shot at the amusement park actually supposed to take place at an amusement park in the scene? Not sure if i'm making any sense here.
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Originally posted by Ari:
Here's another thought about the notion of how much they have or haven't 'paid' for Buffy's resurrection.Okay, so what did they actually do wrong? Messed with dangerous powers beyond their comprehension and feasably beyond their control. That's mostly on Willow's head. She was the ring leader and it was clearly her own hubris that made her so sure she could do it. And that's something she's been paying for, for most of the season now.
But I don't think you can discount what was motivating her. Because I think motivation actually counts a great deal. And she really did believe she was saving Buffy.
About Willow's motivation--the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I don't think the forces Willow is dealing with care what her intentions were, there is a price to pay. But i do agree that Willow, if not all the characters have been paying it all season and this payment hasn't fully come to a head yet, 'cause as we see from the spoilers, things get even worse.
I don't know...I'm really unhappy about the spoilers because a)i love Tara, i don't want her to die. b)the lesbian cliche thing, i can't justify it in my mind, it's just too fucked up. But otherwise i enjoy the darkness of this season, it seems very true to life(my life atleast) things are unfair, things go to shit. That's what happens in real life and there is no ryhme or reason. But like i said, i have big issues with them killing Tara that don't have to do with the dark turn the series has taken.
Edited to comment about the shooting at the amusement park and Xander's "spooky carnival death" line in Bargaining. I'm not sure about this, but I don't think they were using the amusement park as an amusement when they shot at, what was it, six flags i think? I think they were using one of their actractions as a set, i think i read somewehere it was a lagoon. Does anyone know anything about this shoot? Are the scenes shot at the amusement park actually supposed to take place at an amusement park in the scene? Not sure if i'm making any sense here.
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The premise of the season is flawed.
the scoobies were grown up by end of season 5. more grown up than most adults in fact. they were all willing to take on responsibility for those they loved AND the world.
mmm...I disagree with that. In season 5, all the scoobies have been caught in a huge stream of great events : Dawn, Glory, Joye's death. They've been under pressure from nearly the start of the season to the very end.
They didn't had any time to be themselve. To be on their own. I don't call that growing up. In all the first five season, the scoobies alway had a good reason not to think to much about themselve. Since S1, we know that the Scoobies can handle pressure but that doesn't mean that they are "grown up".
Anyway, until now (I might change my mind after ep 19/20), I've really liked this season. Sure, there is angst and sorrow, sure the scoobies are reallys screwed up and have made big mistakes. Sure, there are way to "grow up" without darkness and sorrow. But it's not the happy life of the shiny happy people that I want to watch.
But, as Wiccagrrl put it, angst for the sake of angst is really bad storytelling. What will the writters do whith an Evil Willow ? If EvilWillow is resolve in S6, that would mean that they've killed Tara just for a fast and furious final. It would be a betrayal of all what BtVS has been during 6 years (well, of my vision of BtVS ). And if Evil Willow is meant to be the big bad of S7, that mean either AH will drop from regular to guest or that she will appear in every episode of S7...So either they waste her talent by having her only in a few episode or they have a bad guy in all episodes of the season which would not be very credible. So something will happen. ME haven't disapointed me until now. I have faith.
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posted March 26, 2002 10:23 quote:
The premise of the season is flawed.
the scoobies were grown up by end of season 5. more grown up than most adults in fact. they were all willing to take on responsibility for those they loved AND the world.
mmm...I disagree with that. In season 5, all the scoobies have been caught in a huge stream of great events : Dawn, Glory, Joye's death. They've been under pressure from nearly the start of the season to the very end.
They didn't had any time to be themselve. To be on their own. I don't call that growing up. In all the first five season, the scoobies alway had a good reason not to think to much about themselve. Since S1, we know that the Scoobies can handle pressure but that doesn't mean that they are "grown up".
Anyway, until now (I might change my mind after ep 19/20), I've really liked this season. Sure, there is angst and sorrow, sure the scoobies are reallys screwed up and have made big mistakes. Sure, there are way to "grow up" without darkness and sorrow. But it's not the happy life of the shiny happy people that I want to watch.
But, as Wiccagrrl put it, angst for the sake of angst is really bad storytelling. What will the writters do whith an Evil Willow ? If EvilWillow is resolve in S6, that would mean that they've killed Tara just for a fast and furious final. It would be a betrayal of all what BtVS has been during 6 years (well, of my vision of BtVS ). And if Evil Willow is meant to be the big bad of S7, that mean either AH will drop from regular to guest or that she will appear in every episode of S7...So either they waste her talent by having her only in a few episode or they have a bad guy in all episodes of the season which would not be very credible. So something will happen. ME haven't disapointed me until now. I have faith.
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Registered: Mar 2002 posted March 26, 2002 10:40
Everyday I go to other boards and see the Kitten board praised or Kittens valiently defending the girls. The strength of this community is known all over the BTVS related web.The reactions to Tara dying have been from disbelief to shock to anger to resignation. This cannot have gone unrecognised by the famously internet literate writers at ME.
I fear that ME have wrote themselves into a corner by bowing to fan pressure over the EvilWillow and Spuffy storylines.
But I will impatiently wait until the season finale before I pass judgement.
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posted March 26, 2002 10:40 Everyday I go to other boards and see the Kitten board praised or Kittens valiently defending the girls. The strength of this community is known all over the BTVS related web.The reactions to Tara dying have been from disbelief to shock to anger to resignation. This cannot have gone unrecognised by the famously internet literate writers at ME.
I fear that ME have wrote themselves into a corner by bowing to fan pressure over the EvilWillow and Spuffy storylines.
But I will impatiently wait until the season finale before I pass judgement.
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Registered: Jan 2001 posted March 26, 2002 10:49
Lock5, I just wanted to say amen to your last post, but adding that I do want to watch shiny happy W/T, lots of it.
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posted March 26, 2002 10:49 Lock5, I just wanted to say amen to your last post, but adding that I do want to watch shiny happy W/T, lots of it.
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Registered: Jun 2001 posted March 26, 2002 11:00
To be honest the eps I have seen so far this season I have really enjoyed. I was expecting from things I had read not to like my beloved Willow very much but the brittle frailty and vulnerability she has shown has proved to me that she is growing up and that is why this story line just seems so cruelIP: Logged
posted March 26, 2002 11:00 To be honest the eps I have seen so far this season I have really enjoyed. I was expecting from things I had read not to like my beloved Willow very much but the brittle frailty and vulnerability she has shown has proved to me that she is growing up and that is why this story line just seems so cruelIP: LoggedwillowtarasandwichFloating Rose
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Registered: Feb 2002 posted March 26, 2002 12:07
I too, have enjoyed this season in general - so far. Willow and Tara have grown enormously. From those initial days when 'everything is so good that no-one thinks of arguing', they are now each prepared to state their own opinion. Contrast the Tara of Tough Love, who tried any way she could to get out of telling Willow that she had her doubts, to the Tara of TR who knew she had to take a stance even though it broke her heart. And similarly for Willow, who after the initial anger after Tara left (flaunting Amy as a partner who let her do magic) finally accepted what she had done wrong, and conquered her problem ALL BY HERSELF.
Hell, if that isn't grown up I don't know what is. And so to the natural conclusion, they get together stronger than ever before for having faced the demons in their relationship.
To end that with a gunshot is pathetic, and that's why I firmly believe that there is much, much more to this, and we will find out and be amazed (and hopefully delighted) in two months time!
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posted March 26, 2002 12:07 I too, have enjoyed this season in general - so far. Willow and Tara have grown enormously. From those initial days when 'everything is so good that no-one thinks of arguing', they are now each prepared to state their own opinion. Contrast the Tara of Tough Love, who tried any way she could to get out of telling Willow that she had her doubts, to the Tara of TR who knew she had to take a stance even though it broke her heart. And similarly for Willow, who after the initial anger after Tara left (flaunting Amy as a partner who let her do magic) finally accepted what she had done wrong, and conquered her problem ALL BY HERSELF.
Hell, if that isn't grown up I don't know what is. And so to the natural conclusion, they get together stronger than ever before for having faced the demons in their relationship.
To end that with a gunshot is pathetic, and that's why I firmly believe that there is much, much more to this, and we will find out and be amazed (and hopefully delighted) in two months time!
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Ok.I have gone from sadness, to rage, to confusion, back to rage, to fleeting hope, several laps around confusion and back.
So we need a little brightness around here. I called my friend “Pup Tentacle” (sorry, obscure Frank Zappa ref) and I asked about the future (cause that’s where he has been). So for your pleasure I present to you the Season 7 episodes.
Following up on Season Six spectacular theme of “Oh Grow Up!”, Season 7’s theme is “I Got My Own Problems!”
Ep7.1
The scoobies celebrate another victory over the forces of evil and party it up at the Bronz till the wee hours. The get up the next day to the horror that despite saving the world, again, they still have to go to work and go to school.
Ep7.2
Dawn steals Tara magic books in an attempt to raise her SAT scores to get into a better school.
Ep7.3
Buffy contemplates refinancing her mortgage in order to save some money.
Ep7.4
Life catches up with Willow and Tara in the worse way possible. They realize that they are due to graduate in the spring and neither of them have declared a major!
Ep7.5
Anya is pregnant!
Ep7.6
Willow and Tara take on the ultimate horror as they try to file for domestic partner status in the State of California. Special guest star, Stephanie Romanov as Lilah.
Ep7.7
Realizing she has been ignored for 5 weeks Dawn throws another fit.
Ep7.8
Xander and Anya attempt to set up an IRA and college fund for their new baby. Tension mounts when Xander prefers a more stable Roth IRA account, while Anya wants a more aggressive Putnam one.
Ep7.9 Halloween
Taking a break from patrolling, Buffy stays at home and complains about “those noisy, damn kids” outside.
Ep7.10 SPECIAL BLACK AND WHITE EPISODE!
An ancient demon is summoned and turns everything Black and White. He is dispatched when the scoobies figure out he is just old, lonely and lost his way from the Dis retirement home.
Ep7.11
Buffy’s dad and his “special friend” Trixie move into the Summers home to care for Buffy and Dawn. Tara and Willow move in with Xander and Anya. Trixie, who is younger than Buffy, insists that Buffy call her “mom”.
That’s all I have now. If these are wrong, I’ll go back, edit my posts with the correct information and claim I was 100% right!
Do not tie dye me!
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posted March 26, 2002 12:14 Ok.I have gone from sadness, to rage, to confusion, back to rage, to fleeting hope, several laps around confusion and back.
So we need a little brightness around here. I called my friend “Pup Tentacle” (sorry, obscure Frank Zappa ref) and I asked about the future (cause that’s where he has been). So for your pleasure I present to you the Season 7 episodes.
Following up on Season Six spectacular theme of “Oh Grow Up!”, Season 7’s theme is “I Got My Own Problems!”
Ep7.1
The scoobies celebrate another victory over the forces of evil and party it up at the Bronz till the wee hours. The get up the next day to the horror that despite saving the world, again, they still have to go to work and go to school.
Ep7.2
Dawn steals Tara magic books in an attempt to raise her SAT scores to get into a better school.
Ep7.3
Buffy contemplates refinancing her mortgage in order to save some money.
Ep7.4
Life catches up with Willow and Tara in the worse way possible. They realize that they are due to graduate in the spring and neither of them have declared a major!
Ep7.5
Anya is pregnant!
Ep7.6
Willow and Tara take on the ultimate horror as they try to file for domestic partner status in the State of California. Special guest star, Stephanie Romanov as Lilah.
Ep7.7
Realizing she has been ignored for 5 weeks Dawn throws another fit.
Ep7.8
Xander and Anya attempt to set up an IRA and college fund for their new baby. Tension mounts when Xander prefers a more stable Roth IRA account, while Anya wants a more aggressive Putnam one.
Ep7.9 Halloween
Taking a break from patrolling, Buffy stays at home and complains about “those noisy, damn kids” outside.
Ep7.10 SPECIAL BLACK AND WHITE EPISODE!
An ancient demon is summoned and turns everything Black and White. He is dispatched when the scoobies figure out he is just old, lonely and lost his way from the Dis retirement home.
Ep7.11
Buffy’s dad and his “special friend” Trixie move into the Summers home to care for Buffy and Dawn. Tara and Willow move in with Xander and Anya. Trixie, who is younger than Buffy, insists that Buffy call her “mom”.
That’s all I have now. If these are wrong, I’ll go back, edit my posts with the correct information and claim I was 100% right!
Do not tie dye me!
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The Other Side: http://www.xtreme-gaming.com/theotherside/
My Willow&Tara Pages: http://www.xtreme-gaming.com/theotherside/willtara.php
Shadow Earth Games: http://www.rpghost.com/WebWarlock/
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Registered: Mar 2002 posted March 26, 2002 12:19
Please forgive me, I'm brand new to the whole spoiler thing. After this season is over, I'm never reading another spoiler again. Anyway, I found AngelX's spoiler board today and was reading a banter about Tara's status for season 6, which BBOvenGuy had some great comments about. Someone said they had an inside source that Tara was off the show. How serious should one take this? I'm assuming not very but would just like some reassurance.By the way, I'm a huge movie, tv buff and was so excited that TPTB in Hollywood finally had a secure, happy lesbian relationship on tv. I'm highly disappointed at what will occur with Willow and Tara. I know it's only tv, but when you have only one lesbian couple in all of tv to watch, having them end so violently is a bit hard to stomach. I think that is why all of us are taking Tara's death so hard. If we had more lesbian couples or even lesbians for that matter to watch, it wouldn't seem like such a horrific lose. We could just turn the channel and watch our other favorite lesbian couples for comfort. There will be no channel to turn for comfort if Tara stays dead.
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posted March 26, 2002 12:19 Please forgive me, I'm brand new to the whole spoiler thing. After this season is over, I'm never reading another spoiler again. Anyway, I found AngelX's spoiler board today and was reading a banter about Tara's status for season 6, which BBOvenGuy had some great comments about. Someone said they had an inside source that Tara was off the show. How serious should one take this? I'm assuming not very but would just like some reassurance.By the way, I'm a huge movie, tv buff and was so excited that TPTB in Hollywood finally had a secure, happy lesbian relationship on tv. I'm highly disappointed at what will occur with Willow and Tara. I know it's only tv, but when you have only one lesbian couple in all of tv to watch, having them end so violently is a bit hard to stomach. I think that is why all of us are taking Tara's death so hard. If we had more lesbian couples or even lesbians for that matter to watch, it wouldn't seem like such a horrific lose. We could just turn the channel and watch our other favorite lesbian couples for comfort. There will be no channel to turn for comfort if Tara stays dead.
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Registered: Jun 2001 posted March 26, 2002 12:24
Warlock, you cracked me up! I love that s7 speculation!!!!Patricia
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posted March 26, 2002 12:24 Warlock, you cracked me up! I love that s7 speculation!!!!Patricia
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Registered: Sep 2000 posted March 26, 2002 12:31
I had a thought, yes it does happen, and I don’t have time this morning to slog through all the spoiler threads, so I’ll ask here and hopefully someone can enlighten me. Where, or better yet, from whom did the spoiler “Tara gets shot in her bedroom by Warren who is in the backyard with Buffy… and that is where he shoots Buffy” come from?I’m asking because, Willow and Tara’s room is actually in the front of the house from my recollection, so not only would the angel of shooting upward be awkward, but the bullet would have to go through Dawn’s room and into W/T’s room.
Anyway, just need some enlightenment on this point. Probably has nothing to do with anything but I’ve got it stuck in a loop in my brain!
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posted March 26, 2002 12:31 I had a thought, yes it does happen, and I don’t have time this morning to slog through all the spoiler threads, so I’ll ask here and hopefully someone can enlighten me. Where, or better yet, from whom did the spoiler “Tara gets shot in her bedroom by Warren who is in the backyard with Buffy… and that is where he shoots Buffy” come from?I’m asking because, Willow and Tara’s room is actually in the front of the house from my recollection, so not only would the angel of shooting upward be awkward, but the bullet would have to go through Dawn’s room and into W/T’s room.
Anyway, just need some enlightenment on this point. Probably has nothing to do with anything but I’ve got it stuck in a loop in my brain!
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Registered: Mar 2002 posted March 26, 2002 12:32
Now I ask why did they bring Amy back? Then After watching Doublemeat Palace I started to lok for clues.Amy is pissed off about how long it took Willow to bring her back and being Rack's favorite now.There are no spoiler's on her so far in EP'S 18-22 and the only clue's I have is she finds out in ep9 anya bieng a ex-demon.IN ep10 she meet's Tara and she is caught by buffy in will's room stealing stuff. So what part will Amy play in the last 5ep's.------------------
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