Why do the Nielsen people concentrate on those three months? Heck if I know...
by BBOvenGuy » Tue Mar 26, 2002 4:31 pm
Why do the Nielsen people concentrate on those three months? Heck if I know...
by Peapod » Tue Mar 26, 2002 4:45 pm
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Originally posted by BBOvenGuy:
The episodes are spaced out the way they are because of the way the audience ratings system works. The Nielsen people concentrate their surveys on three months of the year - November, February and May. The networks therefore concentrate their programs on those three months in an attempt to get audiences to watch them while the Nielsen people are paying attention. They can then set their advertising rates based on those numbers.Why do the Nielsen people concentrate on those three months? Heck if I know...
That be messed up. How do you know all this stuff? You aren't God, are you?
*edited to say that instead of double posting, edit your first post and add anything new to that one, please read the FAQ.
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quote:by Epicurus » Tue Mar 26, 2002 4:57 pm
Aren’t Big Bads supposed to have some sort of super evil agenda?
What could EvilWillow’s agenda possibly be?
Shit, if we think this season is too depressing, Willow as Big Bad next season is down right insufferable.
Not really something I want to invest my time in.
by Morphine » Tue Mar 26, 2002 5:00 pm
quote:
Originally posted by BBOvenGuy:
Why do the Nielsen people concentrate on those three months? Heck if I know...
I know this is OT, but it's an interesting piece of knowledge. Sweeps are actually 4 months, February, May, July and November. Nielsen used the term "sweeps" because of the way the information is collected (sending diaries across the country, starting on the East Coast and sweeping to the West). Now, they just divided the year into 4 months periods. But since most TV summer shows start in early-to-mid June, they shifted the August month for July to accomodate networks. So there. Sweeps, they are.
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Tara: No, see, 'cause your insect reflection represents your insignificance... in terms of the karmic cycle.
by NLL » Tue Mar 26, 2002 5:06 pm
by BBOvenGuy » Tue Mar 26, 2002 5:07 pm
by Caesar » Tue Mar 26, 2002 5:12 pm
quote:
Originally posted by NLL:
I agree with those who say that Tara's death and Willow
going bad will be a repeat of what happened last season
with Glory. What exactly is the point? BtVS has quite clearly
run out of ideas (which is why Buffy & Spike are having sex
- have the producers overdosed on sick fanfic?).
Just as someone else might say Willow and Tara having sex, OMG that must be abomination.
There are people who disagree with certain relationships but you should know that there are a massive number of fans that would be offended by your comment.
quote:by JustSomeGuy » Tue Mar 26, 2002 5:28 pm
by Epicurus » Tue Mar 26, 2002 5:34 pm
1. It would mean the real Tara would be alive in the end. Big yeah.
2. It would mean that the audiance got cheated outta a W/T sex scene and that they should script another one (with RealTara this time). Again, big yeah.
Your idea is sounding better and better.
by Fran_Spice » Tue Mar 26, 2002 5:40 pm
This is one point I seem to disagree. I definetly do _not_ hope that this season is unreal, an alternate reality or something that can be reset in any way.
For several reasons:
- The characters did evolve in this season. At least that´s what I think, and you can follow their development. You wont understand it, but heck, some people don´t understand my personal development, so why should I understand that of the characters. But I can see it.
And this evolution is necessary to lead the show to new lands. Truely new lands, not only a new difficulty level, that would be like Mario-Bros.-"Congratulations You beat this Game. Now challenge again on another level". Aside from that Buffy was right: "We´ve all been there.", they beat the game in God Difficulty Level.
- In my opinion it would be bad writing. Bringing it all to _that_ peak and then just reset it? What´s the point? There _must_ be a better ending. I am nearly sure that the writers have something in petto. Should I be wrong I will gladly accept my spanking or whatever...
- I really really fear that it would mean that the next season would be yet another repetition.
Please don´t misunderstand me. Tara´s Death is going to hurt me a lot. It already does. And I think she _has_ to be brought back.
But there is something big going on this season, of which I think it is the best I have seen so far, although I have to admit that it´s the first I have seen in English which really raises the quality, as the German translation is nothing but baaaaad, so it could turn out that I like another one more, as soon as I see it in English.
Still, I do not have lost hope completely that everything will work out fine in the end. And not only fine. If they build up that much tension they must have a _real_ bringer. The overall quality of Buffy has been so high, an unsatisfactory ending would be not really unsatisfactory... it would plainly... you know what.
Was this completely OT?
Well, I´m going to bed. Nighty-night, Fran.
Edited to add: Well, Actually I like your idea, Guy.
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by Robin » Tue Mar 26, 2002 5:44 pm
Tara's sentence might have sounded unusual 'cause she was nervous. She was the one who broke up and now she's the one who doesn't wanna be apart any longer.
by Morphine » Tue Mar 26, 2002 5:44 pm
quote:
Originally posted by JustSomeGuy:
Look, I know this is stupid, I know it, but please bear with me.
Two points have been brought up on the last two pages that have got me to thinking:
1. Where the heck is Amy in all of this?
2. The quotes from Tara in the "reunion" scene not sounding in character.
So I submit to you-
The great makeup sex scene? It's not Tara.
It's Amy, in magical disguise.
It's not that it's stupid, but it doesn't fit what we know comes after. If Tara wasn't truly dead, and with Willow and her so close to getting back together, I think she'd have time to contact her before Willow goes Harry Potter Meets Charles Manson... and the fact that it's been done before (Who are you with Buffy and Faith) kinda kills your theory in the egg. Plus, there's the whole Willow still killed Warren thing... and I don't think that's good...
But it would be good, if it was done properly. It'd leave real issues for next season hanging (Spike, Anya, etc.). But then again... how would Tara react if Willow killed and tortured Warren? Something has to be done to go around this matter...
I just love reading all these theories. You guys definitely have interesting minds
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Tara: No, see, 'cause your insect reflection represents your insignificance... in terms of the karmic cycle.
by Epicurus » Tue Mar 26, 2002 5:49 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Robin:
Tara's sentence might have sounded unusual 'cause she was nervous. She was the one who broke up and now she's the one who doesn't wanna be apart any longer.
Or perhaps she was suffering from Willow Withdrawl and the fact that Will is going to be standing just feet away from her AND the bed, well, it's enough to make anyone flustered.
quote:by Warduke » Tue Mar 26, 2002 5:52 pm
And I don't think that what Tara says is out of character at the end of 18, she still loves Willow with all her heart and being this close to her, spending all this time with her and seeing that Willow has changed and is working at staying away from magic, makes perfect sense to me that Tara would want to be with Willow at this point, that she couldn't stand to not be with her any longer. [This message has been edited by Warduke (edited March 26, 2002).]
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quote:
Originally posted by JustSomeGuy:
Look, I know this is stupid, I know it, but please bear with me.
Two points have been brought up on the last two pages that have got me to thinking:
1. Where the heck is Amy in all of this?
2. The quotes from Tara in the "reunion" scene not sounding in character.
So I submit to you-
The great makeup sex scene? It's not Tara.
It's Amy, in magical disguise.
Why would she want to do that? I can think of several reasons, all having either to do with her being posessive of Willow, or wanting to get back at her, or a combination of both. I have other reasons to believe this, but can't seem to articulate them just yet- I'll get back to you.
In the meantime, just to let you know, I'm not set on this, it *is* just a theory.
And I did admit to it being stupid.
Guy.
That's what I am thinking too. Tara not acting like herself. In normal again there was a girl that came up to her like they have known each other for a while. When has she had the time to make a friend like that? two weeks?
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Originally posted by JustSomeGuy:
Look, I know this is stupid, I know it, but please bear with me.
Two points have been brought up on the last two pages that have got me to thinking:
1. Where the heck is Amy in all of this?
2. The quotes from Tara in the "reunion" scene not sounding in character.
So I submit to you-
The great makeup sex scene? It's not Tara.
It's Amy, in magical disguise.
Why would she want to do that? I can think of several reasons, all having either to do with her being posessive of Willow, or wanting to get back at her, or a combination of both. I have other reasons to believe this, but can't seem to articulate them just yet- I'll get back to you.
In the meantime, just to let you know, I'm not set on this, it *is* just a theory.
And I did admit to it being stupid.
Guy.
That's what I am thinking too. Tara not acting like herself. In normal again there was a girl that came up to her like they have known each other for a while. When has she had the time to make a friend like that? two weeks?
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posted March 26, 2002 19:53quote:
Originally posted by JustSomeGuy:
Look, I know this is stupid, I know it, but please bear with me.
Two points have been brought up on the last two pages that have got me to thinking:
1. Where the heck is Amy in all of this?
2. The quotes from Tara in the "reunion" scene not sounding in character.
So I submit to you-
The great makeup sex scene? It's not Tara.
It's Amy, in magical disguise.
Why would she want to do that? I can think of several reasons, all having either to do with her being posessive of Willow, or wanting to get back at her, or a combination of both. I have other reasons to believe this, but can't seem to articulate them just yet- I'll get back to you.
In the meantime, just to let you know, I'm not set on this, it *is* just a theory.
And I did admit to it being stupid.
Guy.
That's what I am thinking too. Tara not acting like herself. In normal again there was a girl that came up to her like they have known each other for a while. When has she had the time to make a friend like that? two weeks?
by Peapod » Tue Mar 26, 2002 5:53 pm
quote:
Originally posted by JustSomeGuy:
Look, I know this is stupid, I know it, but please bear with me.
Two points have been brought up on the last two pages that have got me to thinking:
1. Where the heck is Amy in all of this?
2. The quotes from Tara in the "reunion" scene not sounding in character.
So I submit to you-
The great makeup sex scene? It's not Tara.
It's Amy, in magical disguise.
Why would she want to do that? I can think of several reasons, all having either to do with her being posessive of Willow, or wanting to get back at her, or a combination of both. I have other reasons to believe this, but can't seem to articulate them just yet- I'll get back to you.
In the meantime, just to let you know, I'm not set on this, it *is* just a theory.
And I did admit to it being stupid.
Guy.
That's what I am thinking too. Tara not acting like herself. In normal again there was a girl that came up to her like they have known each other for a while. When has she had the time to make a friend like that? two weeks?
by sam7777 » Tue Mar 26, 2002 6:05 pm
Honestly, after hearing about Willow with the black hair on the truck trying to run down a car with Buffy and Xander, I'm a big believer in the reset. Otherwise, how can she continue as a regular character?
by Robin » Tue Mar 26, 2002 6:06 pm
by BBOvenGuy » Tue Mar 26, 2002 6:15 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Peapod:
That's what I am thinking too. Tara not acting like herself. In normal again there was a girl that came up to her like they have known each other for a while. When has she had the time to make a friend like that? two weeks?
Tara's been out of the Summers house for a lot longer than two weeks. I'd say more like two months at least. That's plenty of time for her to make new friends. I don't think she'd have found a new girlfriend, but then again the kiss on the cheek we saw doesn't necessarily mean that girl was a new girlfriend.
quote:by The Partyman » Tue Mar 26, 2002 6:16 pm
quote:
Originally posted by JustSomeGuy:
The great makeup sex scene? It's not Tara.
It's Amy, in magical disguise.
I have been thinking that this is a possibility.
It could tie in with the Wizard of Oz references and allow Tara to be Glinda the good witch. Rather than the dead one.
quote:by Robin » Tue Mar 26, 2002 6:22 pm
by Kendahl897 » Tue Mar 26, 2002 6:22 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Warduke:
Although I don't care how they do it, just as long as Tara's back at the end, but Amy as Tara with Willow, no thanks, that's justAnd I don't think that what Tara says is out of character at the end of 18, she still loves Willow with all her heart and being this close to her, spending all this time with her and seeing that Willow has changed and is working at staying away from magic, makes perfect sense to me that Tara would want to be with Willow at this point, that she couldn't stand to not be with her any longer.
I agree with Warduke on this one. She still loves Willow very much and Willow has come a LONG way in battling her addiction. Granted there are still issues of trust and such they need to work through, but those are issues that they have to be together to be able to work through. And you can't have all that nasty sexual tension and frustration getting in the way, now can you?
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quote:by CaptMurdock » Tue Mar 26, 2002 6:23 pm
Scenario (probably total bogus, dreamed up out of my deranged imagination):
Willow and "Tara" have make-up scene, hot sweaty between-the-sheets action.
Warren, in his quest to kill Buffy, shoots "Tara," who falls dead.
Willow sees "Tara's" dead body, goes beserk, goes Black Magic Willow on Warren, the rest of Scoobs and Lame Gunmen have to battle her and bring her back to sanity.
Last five minutes of season finale: Willow, depowered and depressed, is sitting in the Summers living room with Xander, Spike, Dawn and Buffy. For whatever reason, they have X-rays of "Tara's" corpse there. Willow, of course, doesn't want to look at them, but Dawn, being ever-curious, looks through them. She stops at the right arm.
"Hey, guys? Didn't Tara get her right hand crushed by Glory a year ago?"
"Dawn..." Buffy says warningly.
"Yes, Dawn, she did," Willow says listlessly. "Didn't know when we had it so good..."
Dawn frowns. "Well, wouldn't that show up on an X-Ray, even a year later? I mean, bones heal, but don't they leave some kinda trace?"
Willow then matches "Tara's" right-hand X-Ray to the left. There's no difference
"Omigod. This, this isn't Tara! This person has never had fractures to the phalanges!"
"Huh-what?" Xander asks.
"She's never had her hand broken?" Buffy asks.
Spike stands up and shakes his head. "So if the stiff they got in the morgue never had her hand crushed..."
"...it's not Tara!" Willow finishs
"So, who is she?" Dawn asks.
"And where's Tara?" Buffy adds.
Silence descends around the living room.
Blackout.
Grr, Arg.
Hey, I'll admit it's cheesy. But I'm not that big a fan of the reset option, either.
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"How's that cramp doing, Spike? Why dontcha put some ice on it?"
by Willowlicious » Tue Mar 26, 2002 6:43 pm
AnGeLX's spoilers indicate that the reason Spike nearly rapes Buffy is because she's been saying 'no' when she really means 'yes' all season. Without stepping into the issue very heavily, I think that's a rather dangerous assertation to make. It's one of those "let's blame it on the girl" deals. Thing is, we're talking about Buffy, so she's not like other girls. She's more than Spike's physical equal. She can hurt him as much as he hurts her. That's what turns the situation on its head and, I'm guessing, what makes ME think they can get away with such an...unsavory (and unPC, not that ME is ever very PC, but still)...plot twist. Anyway, Buffy apparently takes 'responsibility' for the incident, because she ends up trying to send Dawn to Spike later, so she clearly still doesn't think Spike is a threat. So, the message is "Ladies, don't cry wolf, you may get yourselves in real trouble, and, despite all the PC messages to the contrary, it may actually be your fault." Interesting...scary...bold...offensive...daring...a Marti Noxon story for sure.
My point in bringing this up is NOT to discuss this plot turn's merits or horrors, but to point out that ME really does seem to be going balls out (literally) the last few eps and trying to screw with every cliche and social expectation it can think of. This makes me all the more confident that they are purposely killing Tara in the most cliched manner they can think of...hopefully with the intention to turn it on its head somehow.
I'm not saying I think any of this is a good idea. I'm very disturbed they've decided to go slumming. I normally love dark stories, but all these spoilers make me want to alternate between weeping uncontrollably and vigorously showering to wash away the grime. (Maybe I should just weep in the shower to save time.) That said, it really looks to me like ME is digging up all the trouble and filth they possibly can. As if they know it's their one chance to get away with it, because they have a reset (or something) up their sleaves.
Am I making any sense? Probably not. Typical.
EDITED TO ADD: I'm not saying that Spike's near rape of Buffy is proof of a reset, more that it is a bit of evidence suggesting ME is actively engaged in a game of 'cliche tipping' (ya know, the Hollywood version of cow tipping ), which leads me to HOPE the tipping of the lesbian cliche will require a reset.
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by Robin » Tue Mar 26, 2002 6:44 pm
I doubt that. I'm asking myself where Buffy is in the whole thing, 'cause the season's finale has to deal more or less with the slayer and not so much with any other character.
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by All4W/T » Tue Mar 26, 2002 6:49 pm
Example, Willow and Tara (Amy) are together in the house, perhaps love scene..Warren goes there to kill Buffy, maybe fires a shot or something..Willow goes to see whats happening, leaving Tara (Amy..Somehow in the crossfire/commotion Amy (Tara) gets shot..Willow doesnt know this and goes evil Witch, going after Warren..
Tara appears and finds out what is going on, she tracks the scoobies and Willow down, tells Willow she is really ok and there is no need for Willow to go thru with what she is about to do..Willow realizes what has
happened or its explained to her she stops just in the nick of time..Hence no reset needed..
A clean slate for next season, lots of stuff for them to work on..Spike returns dechipped, Tara and Willow are together, Anya decides not to do anything to Xander and just leaves Sunnydale..Breaking his heart in the process--payback..As for Dawn, well dont know what they do with her..
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by AutumnT » Tue Mar 26, 2002 6:52 pm
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by Caesar » Tue Mar 26, 2002 6:54 pm
by Sparky » Tue Mar 26, 2002 6:55 pm
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by Scout » Tue Mar 26, 2002 7:04 pm
Then again, we know they reunite at the end of ep18 and Tara doesn’t die until the end of ep19, so whose to say they don’t talk more about their relationship during ep19?
by Ghostwriter » Tue Mar 26, 2002 7:09 pm
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