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Batwoman lesbian revamp

Postby Ben Varkentine » Tue May 30, 2006 10:27 am

Batwoman hero returns as lesbian

Comic book heroine Batwoman is to make a comeback as a "lipstick lesbian" who moonlights as a crime fighter, a DC Comics spokesman has confirmed.


In her latest incarnation, she is a rich socialite who has a romantic history with another 52 character, ex-police detective Renee Montoya.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5030518.stm
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Re: Batwoman lesbian revamp

Postby inlerf » Tue May 30, 2006 6:20 pm

and i never thought batwoman would resort to this....

but YAY! :D!
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Re: Batwoman lesbian revamp

Postby Alcy » Wed May 31, 2006 1:31 am

And I never even knew there was a Batwoman! Will definitely be reading this as there are definitely not enough LGBT characters in comics.

Kudos to DC for changing the face of the mostly white male superheroes and diversifying a little (I hope they don't go too far though!)

Thanks for sharing this little tidbit
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Re: Batwoman lesbian revamp

Postby WillowsGirlXX » Wed May 31, 2006 9:30 am

Its different thats for sure
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Re: Batwoman lesbian revamp

Postby WebWarlock » Wed May 31, 2006 8:13 pm

Here is some more.

http://www.out.com/detail.asp?id=18499

Much better than the really weird 1950's version. This new one reminds me more of "Batman Beyond" and obviously a nod to the the Batman Animated Series movie, "Mystery of the Batwoman".

Yet why do I fear the new Batwoman will meet the same fate as the last one?

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Re: Batwoman lesbian revamp

Postby sheila wt » Thu Jun 01, 2006 11:34 am

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Re: Batwoman lesbian revamp

Postby Ben Varkentine » Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:46 pm

FYI:

There's a little chart mapping some gay fantasy and comic book characters in the current Entertainment Weekly (Superman on cover). Willow & Tara are mentioned and there's a (very) small picture.
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Re: Batwoman lesbian revamp

Postby Artemis » Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:08 am

I picked up issue 7 of '52', based on the cover blurb promising an old flame of Renee Montoya's - not Batwoman (yet) but some closeted socialite named Kate Kane. I like Montoya, at first glimpse, and I'm keen to see more of her story; the other 'half' of the 52 story in that issue, about Booster Gold, didn't grab me. The local comic store still has 52 1-6 on shelves, so money permitting I'll pick those up and get a better idea of how the story's going. I'm certainly going to stick around until #11, with the promised introduction of Batwoman, but the book as a whole - not just the lesbian parts thereof - will need to have impressed me for me to keep it up to the end. 52 issues is a lot of comic, and I'm shelling out enough on Marvel titles as it is.

FYI, seeing as this is kind of the comic book lesbians thread: there's an intriguing (though thoroughly reprehensible) character in Thunderbolts who's strongly hinted to be bi at least: Janice Olivia Yanikeski, aka 'Joystick'. She's a weird combination of genius and psychologically damaged. And though I haven't read this one yet (their tie-in to Civil War isn't until next month) there's a lesbian character in Runaways, Karolina Dean, aka 'Lucy in the Sky'.
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Re: Batwoman lesbian revamp

Postby DaddyCatALSO » Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:16 am

As someone who actually remmebers the original version quite well, and was upset when I found out she'd died (pre-Crisis on Infinite Earths and I haven't bought anything since so have no idea of current contiuity) I say "Good idea!"
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Re: Batwoman lesbian revamp

Postby cattwoman » Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:57 pm

Ok, I confess. I started buying this comic when the news hit. I cannot say it has entertained me very much, but I am interested to see how they introduce her. I will give it a little longer then decide.
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Re: Batwoman lesbian revamp

Postby WebWarlock » Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:37 pm

More Batwoman news.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/books/cs ... man18.html

A Bat for the other team

July 18, 2006

BY MISHA DAVENPORT Staff Reporter


Everything old is new again, so the saying goes.


A character named Batwoman crashes through a window of an abandoned building, making her debut in 52: Week Eleven (DC Comics, $2.50), on sale today.

With her bright red lipstick, high-heeled boots, long flowing red hair framing a black bat cowl and body covered in Lycra that shows off every voluptuous curve, she is a force to be reckoned with.

Though her alter ego Kate Kane made her debut in 52 several weeks ago, this new issue marks the arrival of an updated Batwoman, who garnered headlines earlier this year when DC Comics revealed she would be a lesbian.


With 41 issues left in the weekly 52 series, Week Eleven leaves plenty of questions about Batwoman unanswered. She isn't even the sole focus of the series, but rather one plot in a book that has multiple threads.

Neither Kate Kane nor Batwoman ever acknowledges her sexuality, but there are certainly enough clues:


Private detective Renee Montoya lets the reader know in a thought balloon that she once was in love with Kane.

Kane seems jealous of Montoya's new partner (the Question, who introduces himself as Charlie, her partner).

Montoya also seems jealous of the short-haired blond woman sitting in the passenger seat of Kane's convertible.

Kane tells Montoya the woman in the car is a doctor named Mallory and "you don't know her."

Montoya acknowledges in a private thought that Kane's new girlfriend shouldn't bother her, but it does.

When Montoya refuses to tell Kane why a building owned by the Kane family is under surveillance, Kane tells her, "You don't come back into my life after 10 years asking for favors without an explanation, Renee!"

Afterward, the Question sarcastically tells Montoya she handled the situation well, and it's no wonder women are falling all over themselves to be with her.

Montoya tells the Question that any feelings she had for Kane ended when Kane broke off their relationship.
In a previous issue, Montoya referred to Kate Kane as "Katherine the young," opening up the possibility that the new Batwoman is actually the daughter of the original Batwoman, who made her debut in the '50s.

Of course, that idea doesn't make a lot of sense when you look at the original Batwoman, who made her first appearance in 1956. That character carried a purse of gadgets (as opposed to the current Batwoman's far more practical utility belt). She seemed more interested in snuggling with Batman than solving crimes and was even partnered with the original BatGirl, her niece Betty Kane (who was more interested in getting Batman's teen sidekick Robin to notice her).

How can one of Batman's former love interests have a grown daughter when Batman himself still appears to be in his 30s or early 40s?

What a difference decades make

Granted, few readers remember the 1950s Batman. Those who do would have a hard time these days recognizing their hero -- now a brooding Dark Knight, one part hard-boiled film noir detective, one part kung fu vigilante.

The modern age Batwoman is equally unrecognizable from her Silver Age of Comics counterpart. Kate Kane is a wealthy socialite whose fortune rivals that of billionaire playboy Bruce Wayne (the Kane family owns the half of Gotham City that's not owned by Wayne). By night, romance is the furthest thing from Batwoman's mind.

One thing that hasn't changed from that era is politicians using popular culture as a scapegoat for societal ills. While today's politicians rail about the ills of video games, Eisenhower-era congressmen denigrated comic books.

They were helped in their efforts by Fredric Wertham and his book Seduction of the Innocent, which was published in 1954. Wertham asserted that comic books were leading the nation's children down a path of drug use, sex and violence.

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He was particularly damning of Batman, describing the relationship between Bruce Wayne and his ward Dick Grayson as "a wish-dream of two homosexuals living together."

"In these stories there are practically no decent, attractive, successful women," Wertham argued in his book. "A typical female character is the Catwoman, who is vicious and uses a whip. The atmosphere is homosexual and anti-feminine. If the girl is good-looking, she is undoubtedly the villainess."

Fearing government censorship, the comic book industry adopted a rigid policy of self-censorship called the Comics Code Authority in 1954.

Though DC Comics has continually denied it, the reason Batwoman emerged in 1956 was to squash claims of Batman's homosexuality. Kathy Kane became what is referred to within the gay community as "a beard" -- a woman a gay man dates to give the appearance that he is straight.

On the surface, making the new Batwoman a lesbian when the old Batwoman was an obscure character without much of a fan base and with few actual appearances amounts to a safe move for company executives. It's a move they could never have gotten away with had they used a better-known female character like Wonder Woman.

It was a risky move simply because of the backstory that led to the creation of the previous Batwoman. Batman's "beard" has come out as a lesbian. Can a rainbow flag sticker on the bumper of the Batmobile be far behind?

Will the gay line work?



Is a gay Batwoman enough to hook readers? The issue does leave you wanting to know more. What would prompt a socialite to don a cowl and Lycra suit and risk her life to fight crime? What caused the breakup between Montoya and Kane, and is a happy ending in their future? Will Batman feel threatened by an equally powerful defender of justice? Will they work collectively or establish shifts?

Public reaction to the character (read: your ability to stick with the character beyond her sensationalized debut) will likely decide whether DC grants her continued crime-fighting adventures beyond the series.

But based on her action-packed debut, she's an engaging character worthy of her own title.

mdavenport@suntimes.com



World of superheroes makes room for all inclinations

Batwoman is just one in a growing league of gay characters. Here (with some help from www.gayleague.com) are a few of our favorite openly gay heroes and villains, as well as a few we can't help but wonder about:



GAY

OBSIDIAN
(Manhunter, DC, pictured at right)
The son of the original Green Lantern, Todd Rice was separated from his twin sister and raised by foster parents in Milwaukee. His superpowers (he can become a living shadow) emerged during his teen years. He subsequently was reunited with his sister (who took the superhero name of Jade), turned evil for a bit, lost his powers and found love. Rice's boyfriend, a lawyer, seems to have a thing for superheroes. He once asked out Hawkman, who is straight, and who declined.


NORTHSTAR
(Various X-Men titles from Marvel)
The first openly gay superhero (and perhaps the best known because of it), Northstar (plain-clothes identity: Jean-Paul Beaubier) is able to achieve super-human speeds. Super speed hasn't helped him in the romance department, though. Still single, he was briefly infatuated with fellow X-Man Bobby Drake (a k a Iceman), who is straight.


PIED PIPER
(The Flash, DC)
Born deaf into a wealthy family that spent millions to restore his hearing, Harley Rathaway was obsessed with music and sound, eventually creating weapons that utilized both. A constant foe to the second Flash (Barry Allen), Piper came out to Allen's successor before retiring from a life of crime. Currently living with his boyfriend James, Rathaway is a champion of both gay rights and the homeless.



LESBIAN
SAILOR NEPTUNE, SAILOR URANUS
(Sailor Moon, Kodansha, pictured at right)
In the pages of the Japanese manga, Neptune and Uranus battle injustice and share a loving relationship. Don't look for an exploration of it in the animated series "Sailor Moon," though. The show was sanitized when it was translated into English and repackaged as a kids' show.



BISEXUAL
JOHN CONSTANTINE
(Hellblazer, Vertigo)
The long-running series has mentioned exes of both sexes for the anti-hero, a chain-smoking dabbler in the dark arts. In issues 170-174, John even seduced a man as part of a con. In the big-budget film adaptation "Constantine," Keanu Reeves played the character (pardon the pun) straight.



ON THE FENCE
JIMMY OLSEN
(Various Superman titles, DC)
Though he occasionally has a girlfriend, there's just something about Superman's pal that makes us think he's a bit light in the loafers. Perhaps it's the way he seems to hang on Clark Kent's every word or his obsession with the big guy in blue tights. Not even Lois Lane has been saved as often as Jimmy. And Superman even gave Jimmy a watch so Jimmy can contact him anytime. Hmmm.


HAWK AND DOVE
(deceased; DC Comics, pictured at right)
Yes, the original Hawk and Dove were actually brothers Hank and Don Hall, but they sure seemed to fight more like a married couple than siblings. That's all we're saying.


BATMAN AND ROBIN
(circa 1940-1956, DC)
We're with Seduction of the Innocent author Fredric Wertham on this one. The relationship between Bruce Wayne (Batman) and his ward Dick Grayson (Robin) is just weird enough that if the pair existed in the real world, we'd have no qualms about calling child protective services.


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Re: Batwoman lesbian revamp

Postby xita » Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:26 pm

Ok, I read up on it and now I am curious. I've purchased the back issues and await 11. We'll see if I get hooked. I think it's a pretty big deal. If they manage to stick with it. They sound serious about it.
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Re: Batwoman lesbian revamp

Postby MochaVamp » Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:46 pm

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I've purchased the back issues and await 11. We'll see if I get hooked.


Let us know what you think of the back issues. I've ordered the comic but have considered purchasing the back issues to get up to speed. I'm just not sure if I want to buy all of them.
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Re: Batwoman lesbian revamp

Postby xita » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:02 pm

I got some deal on ebay, since I read that Kate has already appeared in the comic, not as batwoman.

I'll let you know as soon as I get caught up.
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Re: Batwoman lesbian revamp

Postby Artemis » Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:18 am

Kate Kane appears in #7, and Batwoman (in costume) actually first appears at the very end of #9, though she's not doing anything but crouching on a rooftop all broody-like.

I'm up to speed on 52 in general - it looks like it could be a great read, but it's a little difficult to say what with it only being 1/5th done. Being 52 parts, it doesn't have the same instant impact as Civil War, where every issue is a blow-you-away kind of thing, but there've been hints that DC knows what it's doing in terms of steadily setting elements up for big payoffs later. It's a slow-burn story, not an adrenalin-paced thriller, but it's looking good so far. I'd say if the thought of buying potentially 52 comics over the course of a year doesn't horrify you on general principles, this is worth it so far (says me, who's committed to this and the whole 80-issue Civil War arc over six months).

What with the plots all being interwoven (one assumes) it'd probably be best to get all the back issues, if you're planning to follow the title. But for what it's worth, Renee Montoya (Bats' ex, and by the looks of things the main character that Batwoman's role will revolve around in the story) appears in #1, #2, #4, #5, #7, and #9, out of the ten issues so far.
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Re: Batwoman lesbian revamp

Postby WebWarlock » Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:19 am

I have always liked Renee, both in the comics and in the Bruce Timm Animated universe. She was always one of those cops that Batman allways trusted. That alone puts her into rare company.

I also like the design of the new Batwoman a lot, it's almost an homage to Timm's worlds (she looks a lot like Batman Beyond). Plus ya gotta love the red hair.

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Re: Batwoman lesbian revamp

Postby Artemis » Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:36 am

Woo-hoo, it's finally here!

Five days late... frickin' Pacific Ocean...

I found it a really enjoyable debut, with plenty of stirring set-up of Kate's relationship (past and present) with Renee, and some really neat butt-kickin' in the big reveal. I'm glad DC evidently decided to go for broke on the concept of a lesbian Batwoman, with the character's love life present in the story, rather than just establish that she likes women and then shove it under the carpet. I'm really hopeful that a Batwoman title, with Renee co-starring, will emerge out of this.
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Re: Batwoman lesbian revamp

Postby boomstick79 » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:18 am

I picked up all the back issues on Sunday after a brief sojourn to Forbidden Planet (that place is heaven!) on my way to the NFT, and read them all last night.
I have to say I'm really enjoying it, I've always been a Marvel type of girl and this is really my first foray in to the DC verse but I'm hooked already. The Renee/Kate relationship is written very well, there's no subtext just in your face emotion and it just draws you right in :)
There's a good article about 52 on after ellen I found today as well:

http://www.afterellen.com/Print/2006/7/batwoman.html

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Re: Batwoman lesbian revamp

Postby WebWarlock » Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:22 pm

A cool new Batwoman wallpaper at DCComics.com from issue 11.
http://www.dccomics.com/downloads/?acti ... p_patterns

» 800x600
» 1024x768
» 1280x960
» 1280x1024

Very cool looking.

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Re: Batwoman lesbian revamp

Postby xita » Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:57 pm

I finally got issue 11! I haven't gotten the back issues yet.

I loved her return, she looks great and I love the energy between batwoman and montoya. It really makes me wonder what happened between them. I love the fact that montoya recognized right away that it was Kate. Well, I mean that's the impression I got anyway.
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Re: Batwoman lesbian revamp

Postby WebWarlock » Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:12 pm

I read all of 52 and while I was expecting to really like Batwoman it was Renee Montoya that won me over as the break out star of this.

Here is a blog post that pretty much sums up what I was thinking as well.
There is even a postive Willow/Tara mention!

http://www.wtfentertainment.com/newspre ... /03/20/23/

I can't wait to see more of Kate and Renee, Batwoman and the Question!

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Re: Batwoman lesbian revamp

Postby Shaucker » Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:50 am

Good article, but that's a terrible comparison. How is this blogger compaing W/T with this whole Batwoman/Question thing? I love Renee, kind am digging the new Question thing, but come on...

Renee and Kate Kane does not OTP make.
I mentioned in the comics thread that I thought the whole Kate Kane retcon was only to diversify the DCU (see: John Stewart, Black Lightening).

Better comic book lesbians:
Thunder and Grace (when fandom becomes canon) from Outsiders
Karolina from Runaways
Allison Mann from Y the Last Man
Holly Robinson and Karon What's-her-Face from Catwoman...which I'm surprised didn't get more press when Holly became Catwoman for a while after Infinite Crisis (OMG! Gay Catwoman!)

Ok...just putting my two cents in. This Batwoman thing somehow always gets my angry nerd going.
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